Stadium Poll

saintfan · 05-22-2014, 03:28 AM

No way. The Dome is an icon, like the river, and bourbon street, and etc and etc. Why a new stadium? So Roger will bring the Superbowl back?

Meh...

Let Mine-hahah have it. The NFL will keep coming back, because it's the best place for the game. The Dome is more than functional. What a colossal waste of money building a new stadium would be.

Crusader · 05-22-2014, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We just hosted a SuperBowl and other than an ENTERGY failure, friends and business associates all commented on how excellent the amenities and the Dome were...

In fact several were under the impression the Dome had been re-built after Katrina - as in a totally new building, structure - and how nice the New Dome was...

So this behind the times stuff holds no weight...

Electronics (Bells, Whistles) may need to be updated every five-ten years (usually by the time they're installed they're outdated anyways); but the structure itself in no way needs to be replaced...

Agreed and the new wider concourses are great. I would like to see something done about the Saints HOF and the team store but all in all the Dome is better than ever. I have only been to two other NFL venues, Soldier Field (which looks like a retarded space ship landed in the Pantheon) and the Land hark stadium (or what ever the hell Miami call that dump nowadays). None of those stadium could hold the Dome's jockstrap.
But that artists rendering is great and that will always wooo people.

saintshrimp · 05-22-2014, 07:39 AM

I voted no not yet but its getting close to time to start thinking about it though maybe another 5-10 years and when that time comes I think we need a retractable dome IMHO that would be nice I think we should take advantage of this Louisiana heat and humidity .

We need to start planning for it cause it will happen eventually. I think a ticket price bump with the stipulation that it goes for strictly stadium rebuild is justifiable . I do not like the idea that a straight up majority tax payer funded stadium that is something that I don't like. I hate it when the owners/nfl holds a state hostage for building a stadium or they threaten to move the team elsewhere.

MatthewT · 05-22-2014, 08:06 AM

The Dome should be fine for at least another 30 years, then with another renovation good for 30 after that. I never really got the idea of tearing down or abandoning perfectly good stadiums. But, if the Saints ever decide they NEED a new crib, then let the Benson family completely fund it.

SaintsBro · 05-22-2014, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Say what you want but even with the recent renovations theDome is light years behind other stadiums in the NFL. Instead of using band aids here and seats there I think we need to spend some real money. Gut the dome and start from scratch on the interior. Add a retractable roof and more seats and sky boxes. Yes the draw is the city itself but a state of the art facility would be a draw and get us more future SB bids. I feel like a state of the art dome paired with the city itself would put us in the running for the Super Bowl just about every year which would offset some of the costs over time. Leave the exterior alone except for the roof.

This is a good post and I like the discussion, even though I don't wholly agree with you Dude -- I think the Dome still rocks and has some life in her yet.

But I just wanted to point out to the group, in this discussion, I am pretty sure that it's been talked about before; but from what I've heard, I believe it's impossible to renovate the current Dome with a retractable roof, because of the way it's designed, and the weight, the shape and load bearing of the sides or walls....it couldn't be done with the structure that's there....I think I heard this years ago from one of the old architects at Curtis & Davis. From what I understand, it would have to basically be a whole new structure (whole new sides and walls) on the same site, if you wanted to do a retractable roof. It's an engineering thing.

Crusader · 05-22-2014, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

This is a good post and I like the discussion, even though I don't wholly agree with you Dude -- I think the Dome still rocks and has some life in her yet.

But I just wanted to point out to the group, in this discussion, I am pretty sure that it's been talked about before; but from what I've heard, I believe it's impossible to renovate the current Dome with a retractable roof, because of the way it's designed, and the weight, the shape and load bearing of the sides or walls....it couldn't be done with the structure that's there....I think I heard this years ago from one of the old architects at Curtis & Davis. From what I understand, it would have to basically be a whole new structure (whole new sides and walls) on the same site, if you wanted to do a retractable roof. It's an engineering thing.

What would be pretty cool is if they would build a new dome on the same spot with al the modern hoopla and a retractable roof that still looks like the old dome.

TheOak · 05-22-2014, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

What would be pretty cool is if they would build a new dome on the same spot with al the modern hoopla and a retractable roof that still looks like the old dome.

Domes do not have retractable roofs, those are stadiums, a dome doesn't leave you with a place for the roof to retract to, unless it functions like a camera shutter and that would be expensive as hell, along with being an architectural feat to make it withstand hurricanes. To put what ever it would be anywhere but where the Dome is now doesn't make any sense, but to tear down and rebuild means the Saints would have to play somewhere else for a few seasons.

Jerry World took about 4 years from ground breaking to opening and i have yet to see Louisiana do anything on time, under budget..

exile · 05-22-2014, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Domes do not have retractable roofs, those are stadiums, a dome doesn't leave you with a place for the roof to retract to, unless it functions like a camera shutter and that would be expensive as hell, along with being an architectural feat to make it withstand hurricanes.

Like this?

TheOak · 05-22-2014, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Like this?

"Kinda-sorta" (The coonass is coming out in me now), but no, that has a pinwheel-ish design...

If you look closely that cad drawing or model has a suspended center and no place for the panels to go if they did separate and rotate away.

Now, look at the angles and shape, where do you think what would have finally rested after Katrina?

exile · 05-22-2014, 03:43 PM

New Orleans learned a valuable lesson in defeat on Tuesday. It's not about the bid -- at least not when there's a new stadium in the mix.

By all accounts, Minneapolis' bid fell well short in almost every way from the ones presented by New Orleans and Indianapolis. It wasn't as financially rewarding or creatively ambitious. And it mattered not.

Few can play Monday morning quarterback better than colleague Peter King of Sports Illustrated. He made an excellent point this week about the NFL's decision. Why couldn't the NFL have just awarded the 2018 Super Bowl to New Orleans and the 2019 game to Minneapolis.

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05-22-2014, 03:28 AM	#21
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Stadium Poll No way. The Dome is an icon, like the river, and bourbon street, and etc and etc. Why a new stadium? So Roger will bring the Superbowl back? Meh... Let Mine-hahah have it. The NFL will keep coming back, because it's the best place for the game. The Dome is more than functional. What a colossal waste of money building a new stadium would be.

05-22-2014, 04:14 AM	#22
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by jeanpierre We just hosted a SuperBowl and other than an ENTERGY failure, friends and business associates all commented on how excellent the amenities and the Dome were... In fact several were under the impression the Dome had been re-built after Katrina - as in a totally new building, structure - and how nice the New Dome was... So this behind the times stuff holds no weight... Electronics (Bells, Whistles) may need to be updated every five-ten years (usually by the time they're installed they're outdated anyways); but the structure itself in no way needs to be replaced... Agreed and the new wider concourses are great. I would like to see something done about the Saints HOF and the team store but all in all the Dome is better than ever. I have only been to two other NFL venues, Soldier Field (which looks like a retarded space ship landed in the Pantheon) and the Land hark stadium (or what ever the hell Miami call that dump nowadays). None of those stadium could hold the Dome's jockstrap. But that artists rendering is great and that will always wooo people. pumpkindriver likes this.

05-22-2014, 07:39 AM	#23
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: Stadium Poll I voted no not yet but its getting close to time to start thinking about it though maybe another 5-10 years and when that time comes I think we need a retractable dome IMHO that would be nice I think we should take advantage of this Louisiana heat and humidity . We need to start planning for it cause it will happen eventually. I think a ticket price bump with the stipulation that it goes for strictly stadium rebuild is justifiable . I do not like the idea that a straight up majority tax payer funded stadium that is something that I don't like. I hate it when the owners/nfl holds a state hostage for building a stadium or they threaten to move the team elsewhere.

05-22-2014, 08:06 AM	#24
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Stadium Poll The Dome should be fine for at least another 30 years, then with another renovation good for 30 after that. I never really got the idea of tearing down or abandoning perfectly good stadiums. But, if the Saints ever decide they NEED a new crib, then let the Benson family completely fund it. OldMaid likes this.

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05-22-2014, 08:24 AM	#25
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by The Dude Say what you want but even with the recent renovations theDome is light years behind other stadiums in the NFL. Instead of using band aids here and seats there I think we need to spend some real money. Gut the dome and start from scratch on the interior. Add a retractable roof and more seats and sky boxes. Yes the draw is the city itself but a state of the art facility would be a draw and get us more future SB bids. I feel like a state of the art dome paired with the city itself would put us in the running for the Super Bowl just about every year which would offset some of the costs over time. Leave the exterior alone except for the roof. This is a good post and I like the discussion, even though I don't wholly agree with you Dude -- I think the Dome still rocks and has some life in her yet. But I just wanted to point out to the group, in this discussion, I am pretty sure that it's been talked about before; but from what I've heard, I believe it's impossible to renovate the current Dome with a retractable roof, because of the way it's designed, and the weight, the shape and load bearing of the sides or walls....it couldn't be done with the structure that's there....I think I heard this years ago from one of the old architects at Curtis & Davis. From what I understand, it would have to basically be a whole new structure (whole new sides and walls) on the same site, if you wanted to do a retractable roof. It's an engineering thing. Crusader likes this.
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05-22-2014, 08:44 AM	#26
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by SaintsBro This is a good post and I like the discussion, even though I don't wholly agree with you Dude -- I think the Dome still rocks and has some life in her yet. But I just wanted to point out to the group, in this discussion, I am pretty sure that it's been talked about before; but from what I've heard, I believe it's impossible to renovate the current Dome with a retractable roof, because of the way it's designed, and the weight, the shape and load bearing of the sides or walls....it couldn't be done with the structure that's there....I think I heard this years ago from one of the old architects at Curtis & Davis. From what I understand, it would have to basically be a whole new structure (whole new sides and walls) on the same site, if you wanted to do a retractable roof. It's an engineering thing. What would be pretty cool is if they would build a new dome on the same spot with al the modern hoopla and a retractable roof that still looks like the old dome.

05-22-2014, 01:49 PM	#27
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by Crusader What would be pretty cool is if they would build a new dome on the same spot with al the modern hoopla and a retractable roof that still looks like the old dome. Domes do not have retractable roofs, those are stadiums, a dome doesn't leave you with a place for the roof to retract to, unless it functions like a camera shutter and that would be expensive as hell, along with being an architectural feat to make it withstand hurricanes. To put what ever it would be anywhere but where the Dome is now doesn't make any sense, but to tear down and rebuild means the Saints would have to play somewhere else for a few seasons. Jerry World took about 4 years from ground breaking to opening and i have yet to see Louisiana do anything on time, under budget.. Joker likes this.
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05-22-2014, 01:58 PM	#28
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by TheOak Domes do not have retractable roofs, those are stadiums, a dome doesn't leave you with a place for the roof to retract to, unless it functions like a camera shutter and that would be expensive as hell, along with being an architectural feat to make it withstand hurricanes. Like this?
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05-22-2014, 02:15 PM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stadium Poll Originally Posted by exile Like this? "Kinda-sorta" (The coonass is coming out in me now), but no, that has a pinwheel-ish design... If you look closely that cad drawing or model has a suspended center and no place for the panels to go if they did separate and rotate away. Now, look at the angles and shape, where do you think what would have finally rested after Katrina? Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-22-2014, 03:43 PM	#30
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Stadium Poll New Orleans learned a valuable lesson in defeat on Tuesday. It's not about the bid -- at least not when there's a new stadium in the mix. By all accounts, Minneapolis' bid fell well short in almost every way from the ones presented by New Orleans and Indianapolis. It wasn't as financially rewarding or creatively ambitious. And it mattered not. Few can play Monday morning quarterback better than colleague Peter King of Sports Illustrated. He made an excellent point this week about the NFL's decision. Why couldn't the NFL have just awarded the 2018 Super Bowl to New Orleans and the 2019 game to Minneapolis. Next Super Bowl will be awhile for New Orleans \| Thursday's Dunc Shot \| NOLA.com
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