Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

Well this will keep on going on and on over the Redskin name. But will never, ever go away it seems!

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

Unlike the n-word, the term redskin was never meant as a derogatory term. As a matter of fact, native americans coined the term as a self-identifier to distinguish themselves from the white race. Somewhere, somehow, someone found a way to bring notoriety to the term. Probably a bored politician looking to make a name for himself.

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

Why did you like my post if you clearly don't understand it?

I don't think you truly know what it means to be a hypocrite. In what way are my arguments hypocritical? I clearly said I don't call people things that I think will hurt them. I know how people are and generally know what to expect. And I am not just talking about the "N" word. I'm talking about ALL of the people who think their feelings deserve special consideration. I'm not telling you to like being called any names. I'm saying you're not the only one, and neither are Indians or mexicans or white's or whatever. Somebody says ni**er out loud in a public place and it's all over the news and people want to kill that guy. Somebody curses out a white guy and nobody cares. You know that, and I know that. Point being that I don't like being called names any more than you do, but I don't dwell on it to the point of acting like I'm the only person who's ever been wronged or that I have never said anything that I regret.

And this Redskins thing is absurd. It's a name. It's not derogatory. It's just a simple name. But these certain Indians, whoever they are, have their heads so far in the sand, they treat it like an act of war. After ALL these years, they suddenly don't like it. They're greedy. They want something. We've seen this before, yet no one wants to say the obvious, because heaven forbid we upset anyone in the name of truth.

"Oh the white man stole our land". Yeah? And I wonder how many people they killed to occupy what they call their land. Am I suggesting that the english settlers didn't do some bad things? No. But no one alive today is responsible for that. War for land was rampant all over the world for centuries. And in every case, atrocities were committed. But there were also people who were genuinely just trying to survive. People fleeing their homeland to escape brutal dictatorships. And when you left for another country in that time, you were rarely greeted with open arms. So you faught. Not every fight was with just cause, but many WERE justified.

People of all ethnicities have been enslaved throughout history. Take ancient Rome for example. The way they took common people and put them to death, usually because they were christians, and the imperial throne was 99% of the time occupied by pagans. Not only were they put to death, but they were made a sideshow, being torn apart by animals for entertainment. I'm a christian myself. Should I be offended that the ancient Coliseum hasn't been torn down? Well I'm not. I'm fascinated that it has lasted this long.

Or how about Israel? You want to talk about a people who have been persecuted? When are they NOT under attack? I don't think I need to give you a history lesson on the path Israel has been through. It's pretty well documented.

On and on I could go. But these or our ancestors. People who fled and bled for freedom, and started new civilizations all over the world. We come from these very people. Our history is not simply black and white, or red or yellow. And all of our ancestors have been persecuted.

Nobody talks about these things because it isn't fresh enough in their minds. Slavery in the united states happened. Nobody is proud of it (at least not rational people) but it happened. There is also the seldom mentioned fact that these people were sold into slavery by Africans themselves, but this post is already long enough without getting into that, so I'll just stick to the main point. After slavery was ended there was of course tremendous racial tension for many years after. But we've moved past that... Or at least some of us have. There are still those who won't let go of the past. Why? All those other people in history I mentioned... what they went through was just as real, but they got past it. The rest of the world needs to catch on and stop feeling sorry for themselves. I don't hold anyone today responsible for what people before me went through. Why should you hold it against me or my color for what people before YOU went through? I haven't done anything to anyone. I'm not perfect but I'm sure not a freaking criminal. If you can't forgive, especially when you weren't even directly involved then there's nothing I or anyone can do for you. I'm sure you've met some white guys who weren't exactly warm to you in your lifetime. But I can promise you that I've had the same experiences with certain black people. I don't take that to mean that every black person hates me. But there is a lingering back and forth going on and it is my opinion that all this media driven garbage, portraying all minorities as perpetual victims is keeping people from being able to just get over it. Keep throwing gas on the fire and what will it do? You guessed it.

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

Definitely was an accidental like.

Once again, no factual basis of slaves being sold in Africa in the sense of which people like to imply. Already addressed that with hagan. Done talking about it.

Second of all, I don't really care about the persecution of Romans or Israelites or whatever other deflector you want to throw at me. Slavery didn't happen to me. I don't care about that either. The issue only remained an issue because my immediate ancestors were still treated like ****. Not some people who were dead and gone 100 years before I was even thought of. I haven't pointed at slavery for the root of anything. Yeah, it kicked off the tension. But ending it damn sure didn't stop it.

And I don't even want to hear the "we've moved past it" crap. Because anytime something like this comes up you see exactly how little we've moved passed it. People are just more conscious of hiding feelings. You can't get over some **** that still happens. Nobody is dwelling on slavery like you seem to think. Our communities were targeted. They attempted to destroy them from the inside out. The residual effects still linger. The wound is still open. But individuals like yourself tell us we're imaging things and to get over it. I can't discuss anything with you bro.

I can admit a lot of black people look for pity and play the victim all the time. I can admit there are plenty of prejudice black people in America. So it pisses me off when people pretend like they don't know why this exist. You can't get over some **** that's still happening. It's like your wife openly cheating on you for the 100 years, then you get fed up, she tells you she'll stop, and she cheats behind your back for 100 more years. And when you catch her, she tells you nothing is going on, she's changed, get over it, that was a long time ago. We're obviously dealing with it pretty damn good because we only have problems when **** along these lines happens. We're not running in your houses with hoods on hanging you and burning you on crosses in the name e of revenge. I'd like to think **** has been pretty cordial so far.


So I see exactly why Champ likens Redskins to the n word. Because you got a whole bunch of people, not just white, trying to tell another group of people what is and isn't derogatory to them.

I don't even want to get into the hypocritical, double standard game. I'm having this discussion out of annoyance. If I'm right I'm right. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I stand behind this with a passion. You not my enemy. We just think different. I'll leave it at that.

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

I think this topic has been talked to death enough. Time to move on.

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

boy i have to agree some areas of the country are worse than other. i was the white boy living on the reservation in the rural upper mid west. it was not the easiest way to make friends. the first 6 months to year were lonely and at times a bit fearful to say the least. red and white would not speak a word to me outside of work. that was a real eye opener for me i have to admit and changed me forever. A small bitter taste goes a long way.

i am glad to say my kids have such a great diverse group of friends it gives me hope. i like to think i had some thing to do with it but they would never tell me if i did. freaking ball busters.

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

we might need to move this to the PC section

Re: Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
 

Thread closed is sufficient. It will filter down pretty quickly.