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Saints' Champ Bailey: Redskins name like N-word
Hard to disagree with him.
METAIRIE – Count Champ Bailey amid the growing number of people who believe that it is time for Washington’s NFL franchise to change its controversial name. The New Orleans Saints veteran cornerback, who broke into the NFL as Washington’s first-round pick in 1999, told USA TODAY Sports that the racial insensitivity of the word “Redskins” is reason enough for the team to make the bold move of changing the name. “When you hear a Native American say that ‘Redskins’ is degrading, it’s almost like the N-word for a black person,” Bailey told USA TODAY Sports. “If they feel that way, then it’s not right. They are part of this country. It’s degrading to a certain race. Does it make sense to have the name?” http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...11013/-1/state |
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funny i have talked to many native American and i have gotten a mixed result of responses about this. most do not mind and kinda ok with it. others are like champ offended. I work and lived on the reservation while i was in minnesota for over ten years and this topic was talked about a lot.
most say it is not so much the word redskin associated with football that offends them It is Washington DC that is very offensive to the native American. Drop Washington and they will be happy DC Redskins would work. Washington DC attached to anything native american is offensive a name change would cool altogether but i love the fact that they hate the city more than than the word. i LMAO many times when i heard this over and over again. never got old. I told them if they did not like it they could go home to their native country. ;) that always got a good laugh out of the elders being that i was usually the only pale face in the group truth baby truth. |
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N-Word is not the same thing for a black person. Calling a Black person, Black is the same thing as a Redskin. People need to chill the F out with this hyper sensitivity. |
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I got no dog in this race.... I guess until I lose a job or client for something I said recorded in my private home, or 20 years ago, or they force the Saints to change their name because it's a religious name associated with the Catholic Church.
Political correctness is sad and out of control. None of this will benefit the actual people who are "discriminated" against, will only benefit the NFL in selling more merchandize. Redskins is a term from another time but brings light to Native Americans, a people mostly forgotten. So I guess they'll just be called "the Hogs" or something and Native Americans will be totally forgotten now. |
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Should they rename the name Washington DC?
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The word bingo is offensive to my dog. Please use another word. |
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i am sorry but till a word is not used at all by both parties i can not take the debate serious.
i have never heard one Indian call another Indian redskin. so the argument holds more water than the "N" word does. the color of the person using should make no difference. If the "N" word is used by definition to judge a person a bigot. then a bigot is a bigot no matter the person color. other wise by definition it is an act of discrimination. "N" word makes me giggle. man o man we have not gotten far with using PC as a guide line. |
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Redskin Please.....................:roll:
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Sometimes it is better to just keep your mouth shut champ.
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I feel like if you can stand next to a Native American and call him redskin with out feeling any sense unease or awkwardness then redskin is not as offensive that I thought
I personally would never disrespect anyone on purpose but what if a Native American owned the team and called them pale face with decal on helmet will your views be the same or differ? |
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Apache Helicopters, Tomahawk cruise missiles, Chinooks. People in D.C. and the DOD need to consider treading lightly on this subject. They are the #1 culprit of using Native American symbolism for alternate reasons other than defining or respecting a culture.
If they have a problem with the Redskins then they should have an even bigger problem with the names of Army helicopters since the Army actually slaughtered entire Native American cultures to include women and children and now use their names and symbols on their war machines. |
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The anger in some circles over the "Redskins" nickname for Washington's NFL team isn't going away, no matter how much the league would like to put it off until it does. The latest commentary came in the form of an advertisement that ran in some markets during Game 3 of the NBA Finals on Tuesday night. The ad, which has been on YouTube since January but had not gotten as much widespread exposure as it did during the Heat-Spurs game, is two minutes on YouTube but the Washington Post wrote that a one-minute version would run during the game. According to the Post, it was scheduled to run in seven major cities during halftime of the game. In the ad, the culture and history of Native Americans are celebrated. Near the end of the ad, the narrator says, "Native Americans call themselves many things. The one thing they don't ... " And then it cuts to a photo of a Washington Redskins helmet. It's powerful. According to the Post, the ad was paid for by the Yocha Dehe Wintun Nation, which is about an hour northeast of San Francisco. The tribe would not tell the Post how much the ad cost, only that it was a "significant investment." “It’s just a time to get people thinking about putting an end to outward hatred and using sports as a tool to focus on racism,” Chairman Marshall McKay said, according to the Post. The issue surrounding Washington's nickname has been debated for many years and gets more heated every year, it seems. Politicians have argued against it. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has said he doesn't plan to change the name, citing a study that suggests a majority of Native Americans don't find the nickname offensive. The NFL has never made any comments or taken any action that would indicate it has any desire to change the name, either. Until that happens, there will be a vocal opposition that won't stop fighting it. Y! SPORTS |
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Next we will have to change the names of all animal teams because PETA says we are disrespecting the animals....... |
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The n-word is not a skin color... today it has become an attitude.
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This thread has made saintfan angry...
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On another note the Cleveland Indians will now be renamed Cleveland Native Americans , and all the East Indians are going on strike and shutting down every cab and 7-11 in the county to protest.
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Like most Scot-Irish boys have American Native Blood running through these veins on both sides of the family, including my maternal great grandmother who was full on Cherokee...
We've got friends in many tribes with my parents best friends being Lakota... Can tell you straight that what the Oneidas are doing is total, complete BS... And this is how the silent majority of Native Americans feel... First, anytime the Heritage is remembered (though under Snyder's Leadership it's been questionable) in regards to fierce, proud warrior traits that is a plus; nor should the political correctness police hide or blot out history... Second, question the Oneida true motives as when they've taken in significant funds they've failed to develop healthcare and education for those that do not share equally from their tribe... Third, you can't have it both ways - you can't cry not to pay taxes or be limited by federal and state government laws as the rest of US citizens are bound and also protected under the flag of this nation and lobby and engage in the political process of a nation and it's laws which you do not wish to submit... What this is called is Deflection; some members of a certain party whose extreme agenda has failed as miserably as the agenda of extremists of the previous administration have are simply trying to deflect and distract the heat to an equally unpopular group or individual... Tell the Oneida to manage their own affairs and win the real battles of the underserved of their tribe... |
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People just love a reason to get offended. Being offended is a choice. There are SO many other things to worry about but people are all waiting their turn to find a reason to be offended.
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Other than this one group from upstate New York that's litigating and fighting it, I have yet to really hear from any real native Americans to find out what they think, if they are offended or not... You would think with all this kerfluffle that somebody would go out there and do an objective poll, put the facts on the table, ask them the question and make a nice pie graph or chart telling us what the native Americans really think, all over the country, but evidently not, it hasn't been done.
If the majority of actual Indian people had a problem with the name, I would change it in a heartbeat. I'm just not sure it's been demonstrated yet that that's the case. Same as I do with My Black Friends ™ (although that's a bit of a cliche) on matters that have to do with their cultural stuff. I let them decide if something is offensive to them, or not. But if somebody I know is like "dang, that's offensive" then I'm offended too. |
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I wonder how Native Americans (I hate that word since I'm a native American as well, as is my Father, Grandfather, Great Grandfather etc)
feel about what I think are Honorary names like Braves, Warriors, Chiefs? Or how the feel about tribal names like Seminoles and Blackhawks? The only things that I can agree with and see as offensive is the name Redskins and that stupid looking Indian mascot of the Cleveland Indians. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...kgUO530kpoGWIY Seriously? I hate the PC movement but that's gotta be about as offensive as it gets. |
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Well now I don't like champ. He better play well and shut up from here on out, because I don't care about a single thing he has to say.
If Indian people are this easily offended then that's just too bad. I can tell you that if a team wanted to call themselves the whiteskins, I would say that sounds really weird but it surely doesn't offend me. I'm tired of the crying about everything being racist. It's only racist if you make it that way! Stop making everything about you. Nobody cares. No matter how butt hurt you want to be, I can promise you that nobody was thinking about you when they came up with the name, because it's not about you. It will never be about you. Shut up, stop feeling sorry for yourself and go find something productive to do with your time. It's none of your business what a franchise calls itself. You don't own it. |
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The University consults with the tribe often to make sure the feel they're being portrayed in a good light. |
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One race can't determine how offensive a word is to another race. Give it up with the "they use it, so why can't we" talk. **** sounds stupid. You can call your friends things other people can't and everything is fine and dandy. Quit trying to make an argument out of some **** that can be really simple.
Washington needs to just change the damn name. |
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And you know what else? You made a comment that didn't have anything to do with this redskins name, but I found it ridiculous nonetheless. You say you're tired of hearing "they use it so why can't we". Look, lot's of words are used in lot's of different contexts. I'm not defending some of the things that people say to each other. But IF you are offended by a certain word, I don't care what the context is, you shouldn't use it if you don't want others to use it. I don't care how you talk to your friends. But don't use whatever word you feel like in one minute and tell somebody they can't use that same word the next. It's hypocritical. I think people getting all up in a tizzy over a word is dumb. But I'm not telling people what they can say. You have no right to decide what words a person can use if you think you have the right to say whatever you want. Simple. |
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yeah i have to say my Irish roots are as mixed as any even by the late 1600's. Everyone conquered and enslaved us. My forefathers fell of the boat as "indentured servants" to an English tobacco baron in the Carolinas at the turn of the century. They might be one of the first run away slaves in America. So when it comes to being a true American mutt i have to say we are as pure as a mutt can ever be. I have almost every European blood line, more than one of the Indian nations and also a couple of African nations flowing through my veins. When MLK talked about seeing the world as grey I think i can understanding what he was getting at. "indentured servants" i always loved that PC term for slavery. An Entire nation murdered and owned by various European countries for centuries. leave it to the English to come up with such a clean sounding word. So Slavery is not owned by any one race. besides why do African Americans with decent to this time period allow an African fresh of the boat to use the "N" word? history in Africa was one were they practiced slavery also for 1000s of year and made a some money selling slaves long before the Europeans started buying them. Just as social acceptable there it was around the world at that time. Besides that Africans forefather might be from the tribe that originally put your tribe into slavery to begin with. Historically the argument just does not hold water for a person like me. Every nationality has been enslaved some where in history. I say get off your soap box and stop pointing your finger at me. go clean up your own house first then talk to me. by they way i know more white ******s than black ******s. Hell i know ******s of all kinda of colors. I have moved beyond race and I am no longer a racist. equality for all. rich or poor makes no difference. If you want people stop using the word then everyone must stop. other wise i view the argument as self serving and not valid. it is racist. i wonder if the "N" word will post my history thesis was on this very topic. got a c then debated the issue for hours over the course of a month or so with my prof before she gave me a better grade. no she was not white, actually we are more pink than white, she was of African decent. good friends still today. she is the only person that can call me cracker. :cool: nope ******s PS we are Americans. till we accept it and stop labeling our selves we will get no where. Go back to your home land they will tell you. your american. stop all the subdividing already |
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We are all the same and the sooner people accept that the better. Region, race, nationality mean nothing to me
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Well the Irish half of me is anyway |
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Here's a novel thought - no professional teams in Washington DC...
With the exception of security and guys that handle the more serious "football", the town has to close at 5pm and is only open for 120days... Congress has to geaux BACK home to constituents and answer to same... No more screwing the ole folks back home and retiring as a lobbyist in DC... Now that would be something... |
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Concept is still around... |
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Change the name to the Natives. Same logo. Same "honoring" aspect. Fits with the Nationals.
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How about the "Indians that don't like the color red"? |
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Native Americans.
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