Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm sorry, but you have not. Show me any source that attributes Jimmy Graham as to have made any demands or having turned down any deal. Hell. Show me any quote from his agent Sexton then, that he has turned an offer or made any demands.

Do that. That all. Because it has never happened.

And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.

So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million?

All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand.

It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million?

All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand.

It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.

I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?

Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.

Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.

Drew wasn't claiming anything. The NFLPA questioned the tag placed by the Saints as being the second tag since the Chargers had tagged him as well. The arbitration was not forced by Brees, but was required to determine a franchise tag CBA related issue between the NFLPA and the league, EXACTLY like what is going on here.

We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use.

It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing.

SaintsBro · 06-19-2014, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Drew wasn't claiming anything.

But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy.

Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND?

It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.

06-18-2014, 06:44 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm sorry, but you have not. Show me any source that attributes Jimmy Graham as to have made any demands or having turned down any deal. Hell. Show me any quote from his agent Sexton then, that he has turned an offer or made any demands. Do that. That all. Because it has never happened. And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.

06-18-2014, 06:52 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy. So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million? All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand. It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.

06-18-2014, 06:58 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million? All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand. It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth. I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?

06-18-2014, 07:06 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I? Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all. We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.

06-18-2014, 07:09 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all. We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first. Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.

06-18-2014, 07:18 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given. Drew wasn't claiming anything. The NFLPA questioned the tag placed by the Saints as being the second tag since the Chargers had tagged him as well. The arbitration was not forced by Brees, but was required to determine a franchise tag CBA related issue between the NFLPA and the league, EXACTLY like what is going on here. We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use. It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing.

06-19-2014, 08:58 AM	#7
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Drew wasn't claiming anything. But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy. Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND? It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.

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