Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

WhoDat!656 · 07-15-2014, 02:35 PM

Was it because of coaching, players or just not good enough?

|Mitch| · 07-15-2014, 02:41 PM

Offense was always lacking with the defenses we had

stickman · 07-15-2014, 02:41 PM

Coaching. Based purely on watching the team, I would say our offense didn't make adjustments during the game.

edit: You could also add because we were in the same division as the Joe Montana led 49ers.

Rugby Saint II · 07-15-2014, 03:08 PM

We were loaded with great prospects that never worked out. Also, Benson ran the Saints with a used car mentality.

dam1953 · 07-15-2014, 03:28 PM

I say two reasons. Brees (an elite QB) and Payton (an offensive genius) .... and I'm not sure that I can say which is most important. If you look at the 2012 season we missed the playoffs without Payton but Brees still put up crazy numbers. Even though we were weak and getting old on D much of the 2012 fiasco can be put on Spag.

What we have not seen, and I hope not to for some time, is Payton w/out Brees behind center.

Euphoria · 07-15-2014, 03:30 PM

We were definitely limited by our QB's.

Don't get me wrong we had serviceable QB's but none that could get the job done.

I think back to the 49 and Saints games and we'd hold them in check the only real team giving them a run for the money was us. When you hold a team to a 6-3 game and only lose it by their QB just making a couple of more plays than our QB.

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 03:36 PM

QB, plain and simple. Hebert was fine for the regular season but choked like a dog in playoff games. We always had 2-3 good RB's, several good WR's and a nice offensive line. We had a great defense and the best kicker in the NFL. And Mora was a darn good coach. Hebert just wasn't a big-game player and it hurt us continually in the postseason.

I also think there was a lot of pressure to be the first Saints team to get that far and that had an effect. But what was it, 1992, we were up big on the Eagles, everything was going great, and Hebert comes out the 2nd half and throws 3 picks.

OC Carl Smith was also bad, but 3 yards and a cloud of dust was kind of the norm those days. We played old-school smashmouth football like most teams did at the time.

People will also say we were just unlucky to be in the same division as the 49ers, but that doesn't explain total choke jobs against the Bears and Vikings in games where we just got throttled. IMO, it just all comes back to the fact that we were not good enough at the QB position. Other teams had Marino, Kelly, Moon, Cunningham, Elway, etc. We had Bobby Hebert. Big drop-off there.

SmashMouth · 07-15-2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

QB, plain and simple. Hebert was fine for the regular season but choked like a dog in playoff games. We always had 2-3 good RB's, several good WR's and a nice offensive line. We had a great defense and the best kicker in the NFL. And Mora was a darn good coach. Hebert just wasn't a big-game player and it hurt us continually in the postseason.

I also think there was a lot of pressure to be the first Saints team to get that far and that had an effect. But what was it, 1992, we were up big on the Eagles, everything was going great, and Hebert comes out the 2nd half and throws 3 picks.

OC Carl Smith was also bad, but 3 yards and a cloud of dust was kind of the norm those days. We played old-school smashmouth football like most teams did at the time.

People will also say we were just unlucky to be in the same division as the 49ers, but that doesn't explain total choke jobs against the Bears and Vikings in games where we just got throttled. IMO, it just all comes back to the fact that we were not good enough at the QB position. Other teams had Marino, Kelly, Moon, Cunningham, Elway, etc. We had Bobby Hebert. Big drop-off there.

Choke job? Are you comparing Hebert to Romo? I wonder if Hebert feels guilty for being such a choker?

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Choke job? Are you comparing Hebert to Romo?

You know, that actually is a pretty good comparison. They both have good arms, both are tough guys, both prone to mistakes at the worst times, both total playoff failures.

Vrillon82 · 07-19-2014, 09:51 AM

This is something I could never figure out given that the Ravens won purely off defense and no offense and where built in similar fashion to the Mora Saints teams back then.

But it could of been when some teams win the SB these days, theirs a lack of competition to. Which I believe we are nearing an era right now where any team can win it as Brees, Brady, and Manning get older, hence why teams like Baltimore and Seattle have both won.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? We were definitely limited by our QB's. Don't get me wrong we had serviceable QB's but none that could get the job done. I think back to the 49 and Saints games and we'd hold them in check the only real team giving them a run for the money was us. When you hold a team to a 6-3 game and only lose it by their QB just making a couple of more plays than our QB. halloween 65 likes this.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? QB, plain and simple. Hebert was fine for the regular season but choked like a dog in playoff games. We always had 2-3 good RB's, several good WR's and a nice offensive line. We had a great defense and the best kicker in the NFL. And Mora was a darn good coach. Hebert just wasn't a big-game player and it hurt us continually in the postseason. I also think there was a lot of pressure to be the first Saints team to get that far and that had an effect. But what was it, 1992, we were up big on the Eagles, everything was going great, and Hebert comes out the 2nd half and throws 3 picks. OC Carl Smith was also bad, but 3 yards and a cloud of dust was kind of the norm those days. We played old-school smashmouth football like most teams did at the time. People will also say we were just unlucky to be in the same division as the 49ers, but that doesn't explain total choke jobs against the Bears and Vikings in games where we just got throttled. IMO, it just all comes back to the fact that we were not good enough at the QB position. Other teams had Marino, Kelly, Moon, Cunningham, Elway, etc. We had Bobby Hebert. Big drop-off there. pumpkindriver, Papa Voodoo, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,734 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas QB, plain and simple. Hebert was fine for the regular season but choked like a dog in playoff games. We always had 2-3 good RB's, several good WR's and a nice offensive line. We had a great defense and the best kicker in the NFL. And Mora was a darn good coach. Hebert just wasn't a big-game player and it hurt us continually in the postseason. I also think there was a lot of pressure to be the first Saints team to get that far and that had an effect. But what was it, 1992, we were up big on the Eagles, everything was going great, and Hebert comes out the 2nd half and throws 3 picks. OC Carl Smith was also bad, but 3 yards and a cloud of dust was kind of the norm those days. We played old-school smashmouth football like most teams did at the time. People will also say we were just unlucky to be in the same division as the 49ers, but that doesn't explain total choke jobs against the Bears and Vikings in games where we just got throttled. IMO, it just all comes back to the fact that we were not good enough at the QB position. Other teams had Marino, Kelly, Moon, Cunningham, Elway, etc. We had Bobby Hebert. Big drop-off there. Choke job? Are you comparing Hebert to Romo? I wonder if Hebert feels guilty for being such a choker?

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Choke job? Are you comparing Hebert to Romo? You know, that actually is a pretty good comparison. They both have good arms, both are tough guys, both prone to mistakes at the worst times, both total playoff failures.
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