Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

ScottF · 07-15-2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

IMO, it was a combination of players and coaching.

Hebert was the weak link on the offense, and Mora was just too defensive-minded.

As good a coach as Mora was, if he had allowed the offense off the leash a little bit the Saints would have been a lot better.

I remember a quote that a player, possibly on the whiners, said about their mentality during that era, 'If we got up 21 points on a team, we played like we were 21 points behind.'

YBP, Years Before Payton, the Saints played not to lose, and didn't play to win.

all Mora, or whoever our OC was.
Our offense then was hope to get to the 35, and then run 3 consecutive conservative plays
Maybe if Morten wasn't so good we would've opened up the playbook a little
I remember a lot of games with scores of 16's, 23's, and 19's.

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals.

He played for the Saints too. I know that for a fact. It may have only been the preseason though.

Also nobody mentioned Doug Nussmeier, who I actually liked.

woody · 07-15-2014, 11:05 PM

I think we relied too much on Morten and the D. Too conservative.

44Champs · 07-16-2014, 06:26 AM

Two words: Carl Smith. Biggest dumba$$ in Saints history

MatthewT · 07-16-2014, 06:36 AM

This post is bringing back frustrating memories for sure. Watching the defense was a thing of beauty, but for the most part watching the offense was miserable. Who really knows what the problem was, did Mora and Smith hold back Hebert or was Hebert really that bad? And yes, Hebert did choke big time in that Eagles playoff game in 92. Getting aggravated just thinking about it all...

44Champs · 07-16-2014, 06:38 AM

You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any.

SapperSaint · 07-16-2014, 10:02 AM

I really think we were too quick to send Morton out for a FG. Yes, he was "money", but I think it hurt our chances to win.

SmashMouth · 07-16-2014, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any.

Someone call Bobby at WWL and inform him...

Marlboro Man · 07-16-2014, 12:58 PM

Offensively we really didn't have even good WR's until we got Joe Horn. We had some really great RB's in Hilliard and Mayes and Gijan, but the reality was that injuries just killed us. We would get to the playoffs and by then we were decimated with injuries on defense which was our claim to fame and with such a mediocre offense we couldn't get past teams that would score on our depleated defense.

WhoDat!656 · 07-16-2014, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

Offensively we really didn't have even good WR's until we got Joe Horn. We had some really great RB's in Hilliard and Mayes and Gijan, but the reality was that injuries just killed us. We would get to the playoffs and by then we were decimated with injuries on defense which was our claim to fame and with such a mediocre offense we couldn't get past teams that would score on our depleated defense.

Eric Martin may not have been the best WR in the NFL then, but he was like Marques Colston.

Don't forget about Quinn Early

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07-15-2014, 07:35 PM	#21
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 IMO, it was a combination of players and coaching. Hebert was the weak link on the offense, and Mora was just too defensive-minded. As good a coach as Mora was, if he had allowed the offense off the leash a little bit the Saints would have been a lot better. I remember a quote that a player, possibly on the whiners, said about their mentality during that era, 'If we got up 21 points on a team, we played like we were 21 points behind.' YBP, Years Before Payton, the Saints played not to lose, and didn't play to win. all Mora, or whoever our OC was. Our offense then was hope to get to the 35, and then run 3 consecutive conservative plays Maybe if Morten wasn't so good we would've opened up the playbook a little I remember a lot of games with scores of 16's, 23's, and 19's.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals. He played for the Saints too. I know that for a fact. It may have only been the preseason though. Also nobody mentioned Doug Nussmeier, who I actually liked.
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Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Offensively we really didn't have even good WR's until we got Joe Horn. We had some really great RB's in Hilliard and Mayes and Gijan, but the reality was that injuries just killed us. We would get to the playoffs and by then we were decimated with injuries on defense which was our claim to fame and with such a mediocre offense we couldn't get past teams that would score on our depleated defense.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,036	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by Marlboro Man Offensively we really didn't have even good WR's until we got Joe Horn. We had some really great RB's in Hilliard and Mayes and Gijan, but the reality was that injuries just killed us. We would get to the playoffs and by then we were decimated with injuries on defense which was our claim to fame and with such a mediocre offense we couldn't get past teams that would score on our depleated defense. Eric Martin may not have been the best WR in the NFL then, but he was like Marques Colston. Don't forget about Quinn Early

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