Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 06:02 PM

Nobody mentioned Mike Buck or Tim Rosenbach, son I am disappoint.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2014, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Nobody mentioned Mike Buck or Tim Rosenbach, son I am disappoint.

Okay, Buck did start one game under Mora, but Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals.

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals.

He played for the Saints too. I know that for a fact. It may have only been the preseason though.

Also nobody mentioned Doug Nussmeier, who I actually liked.

woody · 07-15-2014, 11:05 PM

I think we relied too much on Morten and the D. Too conservative.

44Champs · 07-16-2014, 06:26 AM

Two words: Carl Smith. Biggest dumba$$ in Saints history

jeanpierre · 07-20-2014, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Two words: Carl Smith. Biggest dumba$$ in Saints history

WRONG!

Allow me to enlighten...

I'm not one to listen to the Bobby Hebert Show; but I was glad I did that night on the way back from New Orleans three seasons back...

Bobby had Carl Smith on the show on a Monday Night and I couldn't wait till the broadcast emasculation...

Disgruntled caller called in and questioned Carl Smith's philosophy; what happened next was a surprise...

Before Smith could respond, Hebert politely interrupted his guest and set the record straight...

He said it was Coach Mora who would audit/thin the playbook because Mora didn't trust his staff or players...

Mora who would stubbornly run the same run plays because he wasn't happy when his offensive linemen would get beat by superior players...

Mora didn't like deviating from the playbook because he didn't respect a better player on the other team...

Hebert admitted there were better quarterbacks, but the offensive unit was more than capable of executing some brilliant designs that never got a chance...

But Mora micromanaged the game plan AND NEVER WOULD DEVIATE OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE GAME!!!

Carl Smith took the high road and said he was grateful to Jim Mora for the opportunity, but Hebert said there would have been more success if Mora had just trusted the very people he had selected...

So 44 and the rest who thought as I HAD once - Mora was right on this - "You Think You Know, But You Really Don't Know"...

So My Friends, Two Words why there wasn't more success - Jim Mora...

And if you think this post is FOS - here's another source...

"Former New Orleans Saints quarterback Bobby Hebert to this day still hears criticism of his longtime offensive coordinator Carl Smith about the bland, vanilla system the team ran when the two were together in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

The philosophy under then-Saints coach Jim Mora was to play suffocating defense and complement that with a ball-control offense. That style, though, rankled many Saints fans.

"People always talk about how he was too conservative," Hebert said. "He was just doing what he was told (by Mora). ... Make sure you put in your article was that was just being a good soldier."

Source: Former New Orleans Saints coordinator Carl Smith now grooming Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson | NOLA.com

MatthewT · 07-16-2014, 06:36 AM

This post is bringing back frustrating memories for sure. Watching the defense was a thing of beauty, but for the most part watching the offense was miserable. Who really knows what the problem was, did Mora and Smith hold back Hebert or was Hebert really that bad? And yes, Hebert did choke big time in that Eagles playoff game in 92. Getting aggravated just thinking about it all...

44Champs · 07-16-2014, 06:38 AM

You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any.

SmashMouth · 07-16-2014, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any.

Someone call Bobby at WWL and inform him...

SapperSaint · 07-16-2014, 10:02 AM

I really think we were too quick to send Morton out for a FG. Yes, he was "money", but I think it hurt our chances to win.

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07-15-2014, 06:02 PM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Nobody mentioned Mike Buck or Tim Rosenbach, son I am disappoint.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Nobody mentioned Mike Buck or Tim Rosenbach, son I am disappoint. Okay, Buck did start one game under Mora, but Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Timm Rosenbach played for the Cardinals. He played for the Saints too. I know that for a fact. It may have only been the preseason though. Also nobody mentioned Doug Nussmeier, who I actually liked.
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07-15-2014, 11:05 PM	#4
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by 44Champs Two words: Carl Smith. Biggest dumba$$ in Saints history WRONG! Allow me to enlighten... I'm not one to listen to the Bobby Hebert Show; but I was glad I did that night on the way back from New Orleans three seasons back... Bobby had Carl Smith on the show on a Monday Night and I couldn't wait till the broadcast emasculation... Disgruntled caller called in and questioned Carl Smith's philosophy; what happened next was a surprise... Before Smith could respond, Hebert politely interrupted his guest and set the record straight... He said it was Coach Mora who would audit/thin the playbook because Mora didn't trust his staff or players... Mora who would stubbornly run the same run plays because he wasn't happy when his offensive linemen would get beat by superior players... Mora didn't like deviating from the playbook because he didn't respect a better player on the other team... Hebert admitted there were better quarterbacks, but the offensive unit was more than capable of executing some brilliant designs that never got a chance... But Mora micromanaged the game plan AND NEVER WOULD DEVIATE OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS DURING THE GAME!!! Carl Smith took the high road and said he was grateful to Jim Mora for the opportunity, but Hebert said there would have been more success if Mora had just trusted the very people he had selected... So 44 and the rest who thought as I HAD once - Mora was right on this - "You Think You Know, But You Really Don't Know"... So My Friends, Two Words why there wasn't more success - Jim Mora... And if you think this post is FOS - here's another source... "Former New Orleans Saints quarterback Bobby Hebert to this day still hears criticism of his longtime offensive coordinator Carl Smith about the bland, vanilla system the team ran when the two were together in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The philosophy under then-Saints coach Jim Mora was to play suffocating defense and complement that with a ball-control offense. That style, though, rankled many Saints fans. "People always talk about how he was too conservative," Hebert said. "He was just doing what he was told (by Mora). ... Make sure you put in your article was that was just being a good soldier." Source: Former New Orleans Saints coordinator Carl Smith now grooming Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson \| NOLA.com iceshack149, RockyMountainSaint and hagan714 like this.
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07-16-2014, 06:36 AM	#7
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? This post is bringing back frustrating memories for sure. Watching the defense was a thing of beauty, but for the most part watching the offense was miserable. Who really knows what the problem was, did Mora and Smith hold back Hebert or was Hebert really that bad? And yes, Hebert did choke big time in that Eagles playoff game in 92. Getting aggravated just thinking about it all...

07-16-2014, 06:38 AM	#8
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any. Halo, MatthewT and AsylumGuido like this.
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07-16-2014, 12:42 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,926 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by 44Champs You know what's funny? Search "Bobby Hebert Highlights" in YouTube. You won't find any. Someone call Bobby at WWL and inform him... 44Champs likes this.

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SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? I really think we were too quick to send Morton out for a FG. Yes, he was "money", but I think it hurt our chances to win.

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