Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years?

Papa Voodoo · 07-15-2014, 03:52 PM

We had no real offense threat except for Morten. Even if all we had was a star RB like AP we would have gone deep in the playoffs. Seattle can throw, but they showed strong D and running is still a proven way to win.

WhoDat!656 · 07-15-2014, 04:01 PM

IMO, it was a combination of players and coaching.

Hebert was the weak link on the offense, and Mora was just too defensive-minded.

As good a coach as Mora was, if he had allowed the offense off the leash a little bit the Saints would have been a lot better.

I remember a quote that a player, possibly on the whiners, said about their mentality during that era, 'If we got up 21 points on a team, we played like we were 21 points behind.'

YBP, Years Before Payton, the Saints played not to lose, and didn't play to win.

ScottF · 07-15-2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

IMO, it was a combination of players and coaching.

Hebert was the weak link on the offense, and Mora was just too defensive-minded.

As good a coach as Mora was, if he had allowed the offense off the leash a little bit the Saints would have been a lot better.

I remember a quote that a player, possibly on the whiners, said about their mentality during that era, 'If we got up 21 points on a team, we played like we were 21 points behind.'

YBP, Years Before Payton, the Saints played not to lose, and didn't play to win.

all Mora, or whoever our OC was.
Our offense then was hope to get to the 35, and then run 3 consecutive conservative plays
Maybe if Morten wasn't so good we would've opened up the playbook a little
I remember a lot of games with scores of 16's, 23's, and 19's.

Schmohams · 07-15-2014, 04:45 PM

Imagen if we had Brees and Payton during those years, that would be an instant dynasty

|Mitch| · 07-15-2014, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Imagen if we had Brees and Payton during those years, that would be an instant dynasty

I'm quite happy how our current offense and defense are merging together...

Jamessr · 07-15-2014, 05:08 PM

I seem to remeber the play book being Ruben Mayes up the middle 3 times then punting... Hoping we'd get in field goal range.
Our defense was great!
However it's hard to have any success with San Fran willing the division as much as they did. Honestly those guys were just that great.

Jamessr · 07-15-2014, 05:09 PM

I also want to comment of the Dynasty thing...
Lets see how the next few years pan out. I see us winning another 2

voodooido · 07-15-2014, 05:39 PM

Wade Wilson, Bobby Hebert, John Forcade, Steve Walsh, Dave Wilson, Richard Todd

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2014, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Wade Wilson, Bobby Hebert, John Forcade, Steve Walsh, Dave Wilson, Richard Todd

You left out Jim Everett and Todd was before Mora. He followed Kenny Stabler during the Bum and Wade Phillips years.

Jamessr · 07-15-2014, 05:48 PM

Richard Todd...
Jeez my dad didn't like him. I remember his saying the guy threw lame ducks....
Rest his soul.

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? We had no real offense threat except for Morten. Even if all we had was a star RB like AP we would have gone deep in the playoffs. Seattle can throw, but they showed strong D and running is still a proven way to win. ScottF likes this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 IMO, it was a combination of players and coaching. Hebert was the weak link on the offense, and Mora was just too defensive-minded. As good a coach as Mora was, if he had allowed the offense off the leash a little bit the Saints would have been a lot better. I remember a quote that a player, possibly on the whiners, said about their mentality during that era, 'If we got up 21 points on a team, we played like we were 21 points behind.' YBP, Years Before Payton, the Saints played not to lose, and didn't play to win. all Mora, or whoever our OC was. Our offense then was hope to get to the 35, and then run 3 consecutive conservative plays Maybe if Morten wasn't so good we would've opened up the playbook a little I remember a lot of games with scores of 16's, 23's, and 19's.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by Schmohams Imagen if we had Brees and Payton during those years, that would be an instant dynasty I'm quite happy how our current offense and defense are merging together... Halo, Jamessr and AliJee like this.

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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? I seem to remeber the play book being Ruben Mayes up the middle 3 times then punting... Hoping we'd get in field goal range. Our defense was great! However it's hard to have any success with San Fran willing the division as much as they did. Honestly those guys were just that great.

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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? I also want to comment of the Dynasty thing... Lets see how the next few years pan out. I see us winning another 2

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Wade Wilson, Bobby Hebert, John Forcade, Steve Walsh, Dave Wilson, Richard Todd
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Originally Posted by voodooido Wade Wilson, Bobby Hebert, John Forcade, Steve Walsh, Dave Wilson, Richard Todd You left out Jim Everett and Todd was before Mora. He followed Kenny Stabler during the Bum and Wade Phillips years.

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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Why didn't the Saints have more success during the Mora years? Richard Todd... Jeez my dad didn't like him. I remember his saying the guy threw lame ducks.... Rest his soul.

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