PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense

The Dude · 07-20-2014, 03:37 PM

That's asinine. 4 potential all pro plus a future hall of fame CB. Yea no talent there. I would say we almost have less talent on offense than defense.

Jack Vegas · 07-20-2014, 03:58 PM

No "almost" about it. We definitely have more talent on defense than we do on offense.

Laughingly, they rank the Packers at #5, despite admitting the Packers defense is terrible and admitting that their overall roster is "JV" caliber (their words, not mine).

Rugby Saint II · 07-20-2014, 04:34 PM

Well then let's shut them up!
Bring on the season.

jjasso007 · 07-20-2014, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

First of all, the writer is Darin Gantt a former beat hack for the Carolina Panthers - so he basically eats out of Cam Newton's @$$...

Secondly, prefer all the ammunition and chips on the shoulder we can get, especially going into training camp...

Third, he argues the Saints struggle on the road - he fails to mention that the Saints and Pats own the best road record since 2009...

Finally, read his @$$hat criticism of the defense that the big acquisition was Byrd, had offseason surgery, and leaves adding only Champ Bailey...

How is it a step back in personnel when you rid yourself of the worst (2012) safety tandem in NFL history in Harper and Jenkins and now have potentially the best three safety rotation in the league in Vacarro, Byrd and Bush?!?

LOOK AT THE SOURCE...

Were Jenkins/Harper worse then Tebucky Jones/Jay Bellamy or Josh Bullocks/Dwight Smith?

The Dude · 07-20-2014, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

So is he saying that if Byrd is 100% we will be much improved??
It merits asking...especially since Byrd's surgery was precautionary and he is 100%.

Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk.

homerj07 · 07-20-2014, 08:52 PM

I think 6 is fair. Maybe a little low. But we have a chance to be really really good

hagan714 · 07-20-2014, 11:17 PM

biggest concern is not the outside of the defense it is the middle. the saints did little to nothing at all to improve the depth on the dL or at MLB.

lets hope the question marks get answered during camp and some gems step up

jeanpierre · 07-20-2014, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by jjasso007

Were Jenkins/Harper worse then Tebucky Jones/Jay Bellamy or Josh Bullocks/Dwight Smith?

Statistically, yes...

In 2012 they led the worse defense ever...

Jenkins/Harper were better than you or I but even that bell curve doesn't make them good...

We got better when Vaccaro took PT away from an "injured" Harper and when Bush replaced Jenkins; add Byrd, your comparing apples to turds...

darksoul35 · 07-20-2014, 11:31 PM

Don't we also get a pretty good linebacker back named Butler and a rookie corner to add depth. Dude is a straight hater. Barring injury we will win the superbowl and I cant wait to see the look on Rogers fake ass face.

AliJee · 07-21-2014, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk.

Ummmm I think after hitting gold with Brees Loomis takes way more risks on injured players.

07-20-2014, 03:37 PM	#11
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense That's asinine. 4 potential all pro plus a future hall of fame CB. Yea no talent there. I would say we almost have less talent on offense than defense.
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07-20-2014, 03:58 PM	#12
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense No "almost" about it. We definitely have more talent on defense than we do on offense. Laughingly, they rank the Packers at #5, despite admitting the Packers defense is terrible and admitting that their overall roster is "JV" caliber (their words, not mine).
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense Well then let's shut them up! Bring on the season.

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jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense Originally Posted by jeanpierre First of all, the writer is Darin Gantt a former beat hack for the Carolina Panthers - so he basically eats out of Cam Newton's @$$... Secondly, prefer all the ammunition and chips on the shoulder we can get, especially going into training camp... Third, he argues the Saints struggle on the road - he fails to mention that the Saints and Pats own the best road record since 2009... Finally, read his @$$hat criticism of the defense that the big acquisition was Byrd, had offseason surgery, and leaves adding only Champ Bailey... How is it a step back in personnel when you rid yourself of the worst (2012) safety tandem in NFL history in Harper and Jenkins and now have potentially the best three safety rotation in the league in Vacarro, Byrd and Bush?!? LOOK AT THE SOURCE... Were Jenkins/Harper worse then Tebucky Jones/Jay Bellamy or Josh Bullocks/Dwight Smith?

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense Originally Posted by ScottF So is he saying that if Byrd is 100% we will be much improved?? It merits asking...especially since Byrd's surgery was precautionary and he is 100%. Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk.
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darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense Don't we also get a pretty good linebacker back named Butler and a rookie corner to add depth. Dude is a straight hater. Barring injury we will win the superbowl and I cant wait to see the look on Rogers fake ass face.
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AliJee 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Southern California Posts: 267	Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense Originally Posted by The Dude Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk. Ummmm I think after hitting gold with Brees Loomis takes way more risks on injured players.

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