Payton "very upset"

WhoDat!656 · 08-16-2014, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Those would draw a flag as well under the new rule. The ball cannot be used as a prop at all.

Then why isn't spiking the ball a penalty; the ball is being used as a prop?

AsylumGuido · 08-18-2014, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Then why isn't spiking the ball a penalty; the ball is being used as a prop?

No. Spiking a football is simply spiking a football. Dunking, hook shooting, laying the ball up, etcetera, are all using the football as another object ... a basketball. I know, it's stupid, but it is how the rule is defined.

poydras · 08-16-2014, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Weren't some of us "hair on fire" last year when we had a bad preseason game? True nothing like 22 penalties but I am confident SP will clear this up,over the next few weeks.
Now time for Jimmy to start acting lie an adult and stop dunking the ball. Why not a free throw over the goal post. Or an awesome skyhook?

Any celebration involving the ball is going to be a penalty this year. Graham needs to take notes on what Colston does after a touchdown. Act like you've done it before.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-17-2014, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

Any celebration involving the ball is going to be a penalty this year. Graham needs to take notes on what Colston does after a touchdown. Act like you've done it before.

If you haven't noticed, he has done 41 times before Friday night, and acted the exact same way he did the previous 41 times. Did you cheer the other 41 times?

Seriously y'all bunch of Goodells, stop it. It is preseason. Win or lose in preseason, it don't count on the regular season standings or the playoffs. Jimmy put up a show for the crowd. End of story.

poydras · 08-17-2014, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

If you haven't noticed, he has done 41 times before Friday night, and acted the exact same way he did the previous 41 times. Did you cheer the other 41 times?

If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move... and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT!

Tobias-Reiper · 08-17-2014, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move... and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT!

All of a sudden, you seem to think he thinks the rules don't apply to him because he wanted to please the crowd in a stanndings-wise meaningless game.

Again, preseason. It costs the team NOTHING. A penalty could be assessed for 100 yds and turn into 35 points worth of TDs, and guess what? The team still travels to Atlanta on September 7 with a 0-0-0 record.

And, as a matter of fact, one could argue that getting in that type of situation now, when neither the final score or the win-lose ratio counts for anything, is beneficial to the evaluation of special teams. Do any of the kickers have enough leg to compensate for such penalties? Can ST cover such ground and prevent a long gain from a returner with a head of steam and good field vision?

And before you reply with "we won't be in that situation during the regular season if Jimmy doesn't dunk" or such penalty coming from any sort of celebration: imagine a TD, followed by a scrum because of a cheap shot to Drew and his o-line going to his defense, and the refs throwing the flag against the Saints only.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-17-2014, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him.

I guess I need to quote Allan Inverson again: "IT'S PRACTICE!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move...

Do you really think when JG scores his 15, 18, 20, 22 or whatever ridiculous number of TDs he will get this regular season, that you figure that he's going to penalize the team each and every time? Seriously?

I'm sure that he's decided what to do when he scores in the regular season. But why spoil the surprise of that at a practice?

What I noticed is that in practice JG scores 2 TDs against what I presume is a first team NFL defense. That's a good practice.

and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT!

Since this has become such a distraction, I personally think that JG should hand the ball to someone in the crowd for now. $100 fine IIRC and no penalty. He can do this for the rest of the next practice until he gets around to scoring his 3 TDs against Atlanta on September 7th. I wait with baited breath to see what he will do then.

Talk about the No Fun League. Sheesh!

SFIAH

The Dude · 08-16-2014, 12:38 PM

Yea I was really not impressed with our overall defense. Granted we did cause a couple of turnovers. I have always said we will probably take a few steps back on defense from last year. Even with all the new talent going from worst ever to top 5 over the course of one season is damn near impossible. I didn't think they would look this bad though.

jnormand · 08-16-2014, 12:57 PM

They'll pay for it this week. I don't mind the dunking. Especially in preseason. He'll have one "after practice practice" this week. As I'm sure everyone will.

papz · 08-16-2014, 01:05 PM

As long as he doesn't get us penalized during the regular season, I don't really care.

It's preseason football. Unless there are injuries, I make little to nothing of it. Preseason is hardly a precursor or forecast to what the regular season will bring.

08-16-2014, 07:21 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Those would draw a flag as well under the new rule. The ball cannot be used as a prop at all. Then why isn't spiking the ball a penalty; the ball is being used as a prop?

08-18-2014, 10:25 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Then why isn't spiking the ball a penalty; the ball is being used as a prop? No. Spiking a football is simply spiking a football. Dunking, hook shooting, laying the ball up, etcetera, are all using the football as another object ... a basketball. I know, it's stupid, but it is how the rule is defined.

08-16-2014, 10:23 PM	#3
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by homerj07 Weren't some of us "hair on fire" last year when we had a bad preseason game? True nothing like 22 penalties but I am confident SP will clear this up,over the next few weeks. Now time for Jimmy to start acting lie an adult and stop dunking the ball. Why not a free throw over the goal post. Or an awesome skyhook? Any celebration involving the ball is going to be a penalty this year. Graham needs to take notes on what Colston does after a touchdown. Act like you've done it before. hagan714 likes this.

08-17-2014, 08:58 AM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by poydras Any celebration involving the ball is going to be a penalty this year. Graham needs to take notes on what Colston does after a touchdown. Act like you've done it before. If you haven't noticed, he has done 41 times before Friday night, and acted the exact same way he did the previous 41 times. Did you cheer the other 41 times? Seriously y'all bunch of Goodells, stop it. It is preseason. Win or lose in preseason, it don't count on the regular season standings or the playoffs. Jimmy put up a show for the crowd. End of story. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

08-17-2014, 05:10 PM	#5
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper If you haven't noticed, he has done 41 times before Friday night, and acted the exact same way he did the previous 41 times. Did you cheer the other 41 times? If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move... and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT!

08-17-2014, 06:04 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by poydras If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him. Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move... and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT! All of a sudden, you seem to think he thinks the rules don't apply to him because he wanted to please the crowd in a stanndings-wise meaningless game. Again, preseason. It costs the team NOTHING. A penalty could be assessed for 100 yds and turn into 35 points worth of TDs, and guess what? The team still travels to Atlanta on September 7 with a 0-0-0 record. And, as a matter of fact, one could argue that getting in that type of situation now, when neither the final score or the win-lose ratio counts for anything, is beneficial to the evaluation of special teams. Do any of the kickers have enough leg to compensate for such penalties? Can ST cover such ground and prevent a long gain from a returner with a head of steam and good field vision? And before you reply with "we won't be in that situation during the regular season if Jimmy doesn't dunk" or such penalty coming from any sort of celebration: imagine a TD, followed by a scrum because of a cheap shot to Drew and his o-line going to his defense, and the refs throwing the flag against the Saints only.
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08-17-2014, 07:40 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Payton "very upset" Originally Posted by poydras If you haven't noticed, what he did was legal those 41 times and didn't cost the Saints field position and touchdowns. All of a sudden he seems to think the rules no longer apply to him. I guess I need to quote Allan Inverson again: "IT'S PRACTICE!" Don't get me wrong, I love Jimmy Graham but he needs to come up with another "signature" celebration move... Do you really think when JG scores his 15, 18, 20, 22 or whatever ridiculous number of TDs he will get this regular season, that you figure that he's going to penalize the team each and every time? Seriously? I'm sure that he's decided what to do when he scores in the regular season. But why spoil the surprise of that at a practice? What I noticed is that in practice JG scores 2 TDs against what I presume is a first team NFL defense. That's a good practice. and above all, obey the coach's orders. If Sean orders Jimmy to do the funky chicken after a touchdown, DO IT! Since this has become such a distraction, I personally think that JG should hand the ball to someone in the crowd for now. $100 fine IIRC and no penalty. He can do this for the rest of the next practice until he gets around to scoring his 3 TDs against Atlanta on September 7th. I wait with baited breath to see what he will do then. Talk about the No Fun League. Sheesh! SFIAH
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08-16-2014, 12:38 PM	#8
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08-16-2014, 12:57 PM	#9
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Payton "very upset" They'll pay for it this week. I don't mind the dunking. Especially in preseason. He'll have one "after practice practice" this week. As I'm sure everyone will.

08-16-2014, 01:05 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Payton "very upset" As long as he doesn't get us penalized during the regular season, I don't really care. It's preseason football. Unless there are injuries, I make little to nothing of it. Preseason is hardly a precursor or forecast to what the regular season will bring. jnormand, hagan714, OldMaid and 2 others like this.

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