Do we bring Champ back??

QBREES9 · 09-09-2014, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Also, its probably 50/50 they bring him back for depth. Now that his salary won't be guaranteed it would be pretty cheap to add him to the squad.

I don't think he replaces anyone at CB, but his leadership and CB depth is probably needed.

Bring him back. for his leadership and CB depth.

billyt81 · 09-09-2014, 01:29 PM

What was so awful about our coverage was how often we rushed only 4 guys and Ryan delivered very quickly to wide open WRs. It's true that those guys are good but when we've got 7 guys back in coverage they've gotta hold up longer than that.

Ashley · 09-09-2014, 02:26 PM

there is no one to bring in. we are stuck with what we have, and they will not all the sudden get any better. Passing teams will kill us, look at who we have to face and tell me we can stop them?

burningmetal · 09-09-2014, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I am not sure that's true. Did you know Keenan Lewis got beat more often than Robinson yesterday? Do you realize that between Hicks and Jordan, neither got one single pressure on the QB? Vacarro missed like 6 or 7 tackles. So no, I don't think Robinson is the worst defender on the field.

I don't see where you think Lewis was beat more than Robinson or white. The played a whole season last year as our unquestioned top DB, and you think claiming he got beat more times in one game is a good argument for Robinson not being the worst defender on the field? I would call that a bad argument, but I'm not sure it qualifies as one.

The Dude · 09-09-2014, 10:36 PM

I bet Champ had to chuckle as he watched the defense he didn't make.

Danno · 09-10-2014, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I bet Champ had to chuckle as he watched the defense he didn't make.

Or start drafting his retirement papers since he wasn't good enough to make this roster at league minimum.

Marlboro Man · 09-10-2014, 07:33 AM

Nah, we just put Patrick Robinson up for trade or just flat out cut him right now. That should send a nice message that we won't tolerate that kind of play, and you'd better step up.

TheOak · 09-10-2014, 07:48 AM

The problem with our defensive secondary is not personnel, its systemic.

Bringing Champ Baily in for anything other than depth and putting him on the field, 20 yards off a receiver, telling him to focus on turnovers and forgetting the fundamentals of tackling will get you the same exact outcome that we saw from Robinson, Lewis, White, Vaccaro, and Byrd.

Keenan Lewis, our nearly shut down corner of 2013 allowed 6 of 7 receptions.
Kenny Vaccaro, our best form tackler from 2013 had 6 missed tackles.

Our talent is a whole lot better than our format and getting rid of Patrick Robinson doesn't change or address the other 50 goddamned problems that happened Sunday.

FinSaint · 09-10-2014, 07:48 AM

In my opinion, the player in the secondary that I was most let down by was not Robinson. That honor goes to Mr. Vaccaro - granted my expectations were pretty high regarding him.

Danno · 09-10-2014, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

Nah, we just put Patrick Robinson up for trade or just flat out cut him right now. That should send a nice message that we won't tolerate that kind of play, and you'd better step up.

And cut Lewis, Byrd and Vaccaro too? They played worse.

09-09-2014, 11:21 AM	#41
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? Originally Posted by Danno Also, its probably 50/50 they bring him back for depth. Now that his salary won't be guaranteed it would be pretty cheap to add him to the squad. I don't think he replaces anyone at CB, but his leadership and CB depth is probably needed. Bring him back. for his leadership and CB depth. W. Kovacs likes this.

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billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? What was so awful about our coverage was how often we rushed only 4 guys and Ryan delivered very quickly to wide open WRs. It's true that those guys are good but when we've got 7 guys back in coverage they've gotta hold up longer than that.

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Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? there is no one to bring in. we are stuck with what we have, and they will not all the sudden get any better. Passing teams will kill us, look at who we have to face and tell me we can stop them?

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I am not sure that's true. Did you know Keenan Lewis got beat more often than Robinson yesterday? Do you realize that between Hicks and Jordan, neither got one single pressure on the QB? Vacarro missed like 6 or 7 tackles. So no, I don't think Robinson is the worst defender on the field. I don't see where you think Lewis was beat more than Robinson or white. The played a whole season last year as our unquestioned top DB, and you think claiming he got beat more times in one game is a good argument for Robinson not being the worst defender on the field? I would call that a bad argument, but I'm not sure it qualifies as one.

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09-10-2014, 07:21 AM	#46
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? Originally Posted by The Dude I bet Champ had to chuckle as he watched the defense he didn't make. Or start drafting his retirement papers since he wasn't good enough to make this roster at league minimum.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Do we bring Champ back?? Originally Posted by Marlboro Man Nah, we just put Patrick Robinson up for trade or just flat out cut him right now. That should send a nice message that we won't tolerate that kind of play, and you'd better step up. And cut Lewis, Byrd and Vaccaro too? They played worse.

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