Its not THAT bad

atltillidie · 09-07-2014, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual.

You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2...

You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense.

The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well.

|Mitch| · 09-07-2014, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well.

Lemme rephrase; faster/quicker than most corners/safeties... That's why you play with a cushion

billyt81 · 09-08-2014, 12:03 AM

I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately.

saintsfan403 · 09-08-2014, 12:05 AM

This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G.

saintsfan403 · 09-08-2014, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately.

We were giving the Falcon's recs a huge cushion. Maybe RR expected our pass rush to throttle their o-line?

Crusader · 09-08-2014, 01:31 AM

I was expecting more from our D-line. Especially going against backup tackles in the second half. I was quite surprised to see the big cushions from our DBs. If you play like that and don't generate any passrush just about any Qb will pick you apart.

Cooks seems to be everything we have hoped. Good hands and great speed. My favorite play of his was on one of the Ingram runs when he placed a really nice cut-block to spring the runner.

Ingram looked really solid. He is getting to be the back I was hoping for when we drafted him. PT also looked really good.

The whole O in general looked sharp. A little to much pressure on Brees at times but the O-line looked good.

And about calling the Falcons a west coast offence; they are not. As a previous poster stated, they are a vertical offence and the great thing about a vertical offense is that a lot of times sending guys deep opens up the underneath routes. Dink and dunk and west coast is not the same thing.

burningmetal · 09-08-2014, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We took them to over time in THEIR house. We screwed up by turning the ball over. No matter what some here might think the Falcons are a good team. A year before last they went 13-3 and were a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl. They have 4 pro bowl receivers so its no wonder our DBs looked bad. They are going to make a lot of defenses look bad. Our offense is looking awesome. Cooks looks as advertised and has all the potential to be ROY. We will destroy these guys in the Super Dome. We basically spotted them two scores and still took them to over time.

I think overtime rules blow. It should be like the playoffs so the first field goal can't win it unless the other team gets a chance and blows it.
Yea, I'm pissed, DOUBLE pissed because I had to watch this crap on DVR and couldn't go through it with my fellow Who Dates.
We have a playoff team and we will get at least one more shot at them.

Uh... The OT rules ARE like the playoffs now. We did get a chance and we DID blow it.

burningmetal · 09-08-2014, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual.

You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2...

You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense.

And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time.

We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight.

SaintLeonard · 09-08-2014, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G.

Nah.. Last year against the Seahawks (in the regular season) was worse

blackangold · 09-08-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time.

We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight.

exactly... and to make matters worse when the defenders tried to come up and make a tackle they missed which lead to even more big plays.

The more I re-watch the game and think about it, the more I have to say the scheme was ****ed up. ATL is known for a dink-and-dunk offense and we let them play their game all day.

In my mind this loss is squarely on the shoulders of Rob Ryan. Just my opinion.

09-07-2014, 11:17 PM	#41
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual. You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2... You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense. The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well.

09-07-2014, 11:18 PM	#42
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by atltillidie The only person who runs a 4.2 on the Falcons is Antone Smith. Hester's 40 doesn't tell you but like you said, we all know he is pretty fast as well. Lemme rephrase; faster/quicker than most corners/safeties... That's why you play with a cushion

09-08-2014, 12:03 AM	#43
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Its not THAT bad I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately.

09-08-2014, 12:05 AM	#44
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Its not THAT bad This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G.

09-08-2014, 12:07 AM	#45
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by billyt81 I think the DBs are more to blame than the DLine. A lot of times we rushed 4 and pressure was coming but Ryan delivered quickly. If we rush 4, guys shouldn't be wide open immediately. We were giving the Falcon's recs a huge cushion. Maybe RR expected our pass rush to throttle their o-line?

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09-08-2014, 01:31 AM	#46
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Its not THAT bad I was expecting more from our D-line. Especially going against backup tackles in the second half. I was quite surprised to see the big cushions from our DBs. If you play like that and don't generate any passrush just about any Qb will pick you apart. Cooks seems to be everything we have hoped. Good hands and great speed. My favorite play of his was on one of the Ingram runs when he placed a really nice cut-block to spring the runner. Ingram looked really solid. He is getting to be the back I was hoping for when we drafted him. PT also looked really good. The whole O in general looked sharp. A little to much pressure on Brees at times but the O-line looked good. And about calling the Falcons a west coast offence; they are not. As a previous poster stated, they are a vertical offence and the great thing about a vertical offense is that a lot of times sending guys deep opens up the underneath routes. Dink and dunk and west coast is not the same thing.
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09-08-2014, 05:14 AM	#47
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by The Dude We took them to over time in THEIR house. We screwed up by turning the ball over. No matter what some here might think the Falcons are a good team. A year before last they went 13-3 and were a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl. They have 4 pro bowl receivers so its no wonder our DBs looked bad. They are going to make a lot of defenses look bad. Our offense is looking awesome. Cooks looks as advertised and has all the potential to be ROY. We will destroy these guys in the Super Dome. We basically spotted them two scores and still took them to over time. I think overtime rules blow. It should be like the playoffs so the first field goal can't win it unless the other team gets a chance and blows it. Yea, I'm pissed, DOUBLE pissed because I had to watch this crap on DVR and couldn't go through it with my fellow Who Dates. We have a playoff team and we will get at least one more shot at them. Uh... The OT rules ARE like the playoffs now. We did get a chance and we DID blow it.

09-08-2014, 05:21 AM	#48
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual. You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2... You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense. And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time. We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight. blackangold likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-08-2014, 08:52 AM	#49
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by saintsfan403 This is probably the worst freakout I have ever seen on B&G. Nah.. Last year against the Seahawks (in the regular season) was worse

09-08-2014, 09:06 AM	#50
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by burningmetal And we bent but didn't br.. oh wait... We broke nearly every single time. We have played these guys before when they were healthy and our defense was bad, and yet we still played much better in those games than we did in this game. You don't play that far back. It doesn't matter how fast someone is. We have speed too. If you play that far back, they will bleed you to death, which is exactly what happened. There were a couple of big plays downfield, but it was mostly intermediate crap and there were no defenders in sight. exactly... and to make matters worse when the defenders tried to come up and make a tackle they missed which lead to even more big plays. The more I re-watch the game and think about it, the more I have to say the scheme was ****ed up. ATL is known for a dink-and-dunk offense and we let them play their game all day. In my mind this loss is squarely on the shoulders of Rob Ryan. Just my opinion.

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