Offense

The Dude · 09-14-2014, 09:37 PM

Seems like we have all the pieces in place to take a whole new approach and philosophy to our offensive play. We have the backs and big receivers that can pound and grind out hard yards to wear defenses down. We can do it slowly and methodically with a heavy dose of running and short passes to Colston and Graham AND get the ball to speedy Cooks just to add more confusion and humiliation. The pieces are the coaches ready to accept that?
We have historically been a finesse team and many many times Brees has had to put a big load on his shoulders and carry the team with his arm. He doesn't need too anymore. First off he is getting older, throwing less and dinking and dunking will be easier on his arm and that oblique. Yea maybe we can win by throwing it but why when we don't have too. Use your weapons to your advantage. The point of the game is to win, not break records and pad stats.
He did do a decent job of balancing the run and pass today, so it seems like he's at least giving it a shot. Just don't abandon it if it starts to shudder.
Our run game is amazing this year and with all the negative so far that is one part of the game that is positive and it needs to be utilized.

Saintsfan4ever · 09-14-2014, 11:12 PM

DUDE, I totally agree.
Weren't we all drooling to see what this offense would do coming into the regular season? With the offensive weapons we have we should be scoring 40 points on ANYBODY.
What happened to Sean's creativity? I remember back in 2006 a triple reverse flea-flicker half-back pass was expected on each drive. Now the Saints' offense is so .. so vanilla. Did you see that end around hand-off to Cooks that went for 20+ yds? That's the kinda stuff we were expecting. But no, we're destroying defenses with our ground attack and then Sean goes right back to trying to force a pass to Graham with 2 defenders hanging on his back. I mean, Graham is a BEAST but damn, we've got more weapons, use 'em, get creative.

foreverfan · 09-14-2014, 11:15 PM

It seems the teams that beat us only play us for passing and play the running game second. Payton really has trouble seeing this.

There is no doubt that we could had created 1 more running play that would have gained yardage at some time in the 4th quarter that would have burned off 15 seconds.

Saintsfan4ever · 09-15-2014, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

It seems the teams that beat us only play us for passing and play the running game second. Payton really has trouble seeing this.

There is no doubt that we could had created 1 more running play that would have gained yardage at some time in the 4th quarter that would have burned off 15 seconds.

Oh absolutely! I think every Saints fan saw this playing out "just like last week" when we had to punt to Cleveland with 2:46 to go with all their timeouts left.
It's beginning to look obvious that our defense struggles the most when trying to stop an ad-lib hurry-up offensive attack. At least that's the trend.

I've always been one these fans that says "leave Sean alone, he's knows what he's doing".... but his play selection and clock management is making second guess his awareness... maybe it's the "glasses".

WHODATINCA · 09-15-2014, 01:40 AM

Our pass protection stunk up this game today. If Brees is going to throw we need to give him time to do it. If the O-line had protected Brees today we would have been fine.

Our O-line learned how to run block this year -- but forgot how to pass protect. It's like they can't do both things at once.

billyt81 · 09-15-2014, 02:45 PM

How many slightly off target passes has Jimmy Graham ignored? Against Atlanta a pass bounced off his leg and he made no effort to catch it. Against Cleveland a ball went right between his arms and was intercepted. I suspect he is letting his personal feelings toward Brees affect his effort. I believe Jimmy is the best pass catcher in the NFL and quite possibly a league MVP, but his effort is often piss poor. He still can't block and he avoids contact like he's Lance Moore. Everyone else on the team fights for every possible yard. Jimmy will be one on one with a corner and step out of bounds. I think this teams problems are in the locker room. If they don't come together as a team, they'll continue to get out hustled and outplayed.

Utah_Saint · 09-15-2014, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by billyt81

How many slightly off target passes has Jimmy Graham ignored? Against Atlanta a pass bounced off his leg and he made no effort to catch it. Against Cleveland a ball went right between his arms and was intercepted. I suspect he is letting his personal feelings toward Brees affect his effort. I believe Jimmy is the best pass catcher in the NFL and quite possibly a league MVP, but his effort is often piss poor. He still can't block and he avoids contact like he's Lance Moore. Everyone else on the team fights for every possible yard. Jimmy will be one on one with a corner and step out of bounds. I think this teams problems are in the locker room. If they don't come together as a team, they'll continue to get out hustled and outplayed.

Just looked at the stats.

Graham is 5th in total yards (among all receivers)
Tied for first in 1st downs (among all receivers)
Is averaging a touchdown per game
He has a 78% catch percentage
And is tied with Gronk for 10th out of 56 tight ends in run blocking.

2014 NFL Player Receiving Stats - National Football League - ESPN
https://www.profootballfocus.com/dat...=25&numgames=1

That'll show Brees.

dizzle88 · 09-15-2014, 03:30 PM

Anyone else getting sick of an offense that subs players in and out every play for the sake of matchups, I personally am now its resulting in this kind of play

Euphoria · 09-15-2014, 03:34 PM

you act like we are the only ones that sub players in???

We aren't the only team. It is called depending on the yardage and play you want to utilize and looking for a miss match.

Besides it isn't our O who is losing these games for us...

Utah_Saint · 09-15-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Anyone else getting sick of an offense that subs players in and out every play for the sake of matchups, I personally am now its resulting in this kind of play

It's resulting in the second most points scored and second most yards earned.

2014 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN
2014 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

09-14-2014, 09:37 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Offense Seems like we have all the pieces in place to take a whole new approach and philosophy to our offensive play. We have the backs and big receivers that can pound and grind out hard yards to wear defenses down. We can do it slowly and methodically with a heavy dose of running and short passes to Colston and Graham AND get the ball to speedy Cooks just to add more confusion and humiliation. The pieces are the coaches ready to accept that? We have historically been a finesse team and many many times Brees has had to put a big load on his shoulders and carry the team with his arm. He doesn't need too anymore. First off he is getting older, throwing less and dinking and dunking will be easier on his arm and that oblique. Yea maybe we can win by throwing it but why when we don't have too. Use your weapons to your advantage. The point of the game is to win, not break records and pad stats. He did do a decent job of balancing the run and pass today, so it seems like he's at least giving it a shot. Just don't abandon it if it starts to shudder. Our run game is amazing this year and with all the negative so far that is one part of the game that is positive and it needs to be utilized. biloxi-indian and foreverfan like this.
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09-14-2014, 11:12 PM	#2
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Offense DUDE, I totally agree. Weren't we all drooling to see what this offense would do coming into the regular season? With the offensive weapons we have we should be scoring 40 points on ANYBODY. What happened to Sean's creativity? I remember back in 2006 a triple reverse flea-flicker half-back pass was expected on each drive. Now the Saints' offense is so .. so vanilla. Did you see that end around hand-off to Cooks that went for 20+ yds? That's the kinda stuff we were expecting. But no, we're destroying defenses with our ground attack and then Sean goes right back to trying to force a pass to Graham with 2 defenders hanging on his back. I mean, Graham is a BEAST but damn, we've got more weapons, use 'em, get creative.
	Saint4

09-14-2014, 11:15 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Offense It seems the teams that beat us only play us for passing and play the running game second. Payton really has trouble seeing this. There is no doubt that we could had created 1 more running play that would have gained yardage at some time in the 4th quarter that would have burned off 15 seconds.
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09-15-2014, 12:03 AM	#4
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Offense Originally Posted by foreverfan It seems the teams that beat us only play us for passing and play the running game second. Payton really has trouble seeing this. There is no doubt that we could had created 1 more running play that would have gained yardage at some time in the 4th quarter that would have burned off 15 seconds. Oh absolutely! I think every Saints fan saw this playing out "just like last week" when we had to punt to Cleveland with 2:46 to go with all their timeouts left. It's beginning to look obvious that our defense struggles the most when trying to stop an ad-lib hurry-up offensive attack. At least that's the trend. I've always been one these fans that says "leave Sean alone, he's knows what he's doing".... but his play selection and clock management is making second guess his awareness... maybe it's the "glasses".

09-15-2014, 01:40 AM	#5
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Offense Our pass protection stunk up this game today. If Brees is going to throw we need to give him time to do it. If the O-line had protected Brees today we would have been fine. Our O-line learned how to run block this year -- but forgot how to pass protect. It's like they can't do both things at once.

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09-15-2014, 02:45 PM	#6
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Offense How many slightly off target passes has Jimmy Graham ignored? Against Atlanta a pass bounced off his leg and he made no effort to catch it. Against Cleveland a ball went right between his arms and was intercepted. I suspect he is letting his personal feelings toward Brees affect his effort. I believe Jimmy is the best pass catcher in the NFL and quite possibly a league MVP, but his effort is often piss poor. He still can't block and he avoids contact like he's Lance Moore. Everyone else on the team fights for every possible yard. Jimmy will be one on one with a corner and step out of bounds. I think this teams problems are in the locker room. If they don't come together as a team, they'll continue to get out hustled and outplayed.

09-15-2014, 03:26 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Offense Originally Posted by billyt81 How many slightly off target passes has Jimmy Graham ignored? Against Atlanta a pass bounced off his leg and he made no effort to catch it. Against Cleveland a ball went right between his arms and was intercepted. I suspect he is letting his personal feelings toward Brees affect his effort. I believe Jimmy is the best pass catcher in the NFL and quite possibly a league MVP, but his effort is often piss poor. He still can't block and he avoids contact like he's Lance Moore. Everyone else on the team fights for every possible yard. Jimmy will be one on one with a corner and step out of bounds. I think this teams problems are in the locker room. If they don't come together as a team, they'll continue to get out hustled and outplayed. Just looked at the stats. Graham is 5th in total yards (among all receivers) Tied for first in 1st downs (among all receivers) Is averaging a touchdown per game He has a 78% catch percentage And is tied with Gronk for 10th out of 56 tight ends in run blocking. 2014 NFL Player Receiving Stats - National Football League - ESPN https://www.profootballfocus.com/dat...=25&numgames=1 That'll show Brees.

09-15-2014, 03:30 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Offense Anyone else getting sick of an offense that subs players in and out every play for the sake of matchups, I personally am now its resulting in this kind of play

09-15-2014, 03:34 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Offense you act like we are the only ones that sub players in??? We aren't the only team. It is called depending on the yardage and play you want to utilize and looking for a miss match. Besides it isn't our O who is losing these games for us...

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