Byrd

Halo · 09-29-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Byrd is 45 yards in the other direction of the ball, lining up on the other side of the midfield logo from the line of scrimmage, on almost every play. If the other team suddenly randomly decided to pooch punt the ball to him, Rob Ryan would be hailed as a DEFENSIVE GENIUS.

Maybe Byrd is a playmaker, a difference maker, I don't know, but seriously -- half the time there are people sitting in section 141 of the Dome, that are closer to the action than Byrd is.

That's what I saw. I won't watch it again so someone will have to watch the dreaded game file and confirm. On critical 3rd downs I saw Byrd flying off into la la land, deeeep down the middle of the field.

All the while the crossing middle always open 7 yards out, our safety is 40 yards off covering a deep pass before the play even starts.

I have no idea what they see or what they are doing out there!

SaintsBro · 09-29-2014, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

That's what I saw. .... On critical 3rd downs I saw Byrd flying off into la la land, deeeep down the middle of the field.

All the while the crossing middle always open 7 yards out, our safety is 40 yards off covering a deep pass before the play even starts.

I have no idea what they see or what they are doing out there!

And when they do that it's like the Saints D are playing 10 men on 11. It really really is. No wonder they are getting carved up.

Halo · 09-29-2014, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

And when they do that it's like the Saints D are playing 10 men on 11. It really really is. No wonder they are getting carved up.

I've said the same thing every game we've played this season from the opener against Atlanta. On defense, most downs we look like a team missing a player, like we are only playing 10 players on defense. Either a LB seems missing, a DB or safety seems missing... I can never seem to put my finger on it and in different formation the void appears to be in other places.

It's baffling. I can't be the only person who feels this way, which concerns me. Like we have a broken joystick on a video game and 1 player flies off somewhere and we can't do anything about it.

halloween 65 · 09-29-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I've said the same thing every game we've played this season from the opener against Atlanta. On defense, most downs we look like a team missing a player, like we are only playing 10 players on defense. Either a LB seems missing, a DB or safety seems missing... I can never seem to put my finger on it and in different formation the void appears to be in other places.

It's baffling. I can't be the only person who feels this way, which concerns me. Like we have a broken joystick on a video game and 1 player flies off somewhere and we can't do anything about it.

I can't figure it out either, I do know we have 0 push up the middle, our lb.'s can't cover and our secondary has to play front7 because our front7 aint'. Last night was an embarrassment to me and not only the D, Brees throwing behind recievers all night, our O-line looked like they are bound for an old folks home, our recieverss can't catch a cold and if they could they would fumble, piss poor showing as a team in my opinion,. No improvement nowhere, no how!! Made me red in the face from being MAD!!

Rsanders24 · 09-30-2014, 12:02 AM

Byrd is pretty much our last line of defense...and it's not good when 4 of the top 5 leading tacklers are DBs. He has taken a lot of bad angles so far and whiffed on a lot of tackles. On that 28 yard TD run by Murray he looked like a tackling dummy....straight trucked with little resistance.

DrewDat · 09-30-2014, 12:11 AM

I can't blame Byrd...I blame these terrible plays being called...it's like we're giving cushion EVERY play

billyt81 · 09-30-2014, 12:45 AM

I think Byrd and Keenan Lewis are great but EVERYONE else in the secondary is AWFUL including Vaccarro. Lofton is our only LB consistently by the ball. Galette-who knows? Hicks-either looks totally unblockable or worthless. Cam Jordan-playing hard-but not in the backfield as much as I thought he'd be. Anyway I see Byrd flying around, batting balls and trying hard. I have no complaints about Byrd. I've been waiting for teams to attack Vaccarro cuz he's slow and they have been with much success. . No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying.

|Mitch| · 09-30-2014, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying.

Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin'

billyt81 · 09-30-2014, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin'

What EXACTLY did Vaccarro excel at last year? When he hits people they drop. true. He plays with a nasty attitude. Love it. But can he cover a TE, RB or slot WR? Is he a ballhawk? Did he record more tackles than Harper the year before? And I'm tired of these Bleacher Report rankings that rank everything. Don't quote me some stat that says he's a great cover guy. Someone recently posted a report(after I dogged JG blocking), that Jimmy is the 10th best blocking TE in the NFL. LOL. I'll drink to that.

burningmetal · 09-30-2014, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I see a lot of people down on him. I get it, he doesn't look like the player we hoped he would be. Adding insult to injury we have key Saints players we had to let go to sign him and JG on other teams having a good year.
He isn't producing but the guy hits hard. Its really really hard to evaluate how well any of our DBs are doing because they are not getting any help whatsoever up front. Like I said in another post, you can have an entire backfield of Richard Shermans but it wouldn't matter if your line gave the QB all day to throw and continually let players by to get into the secondary.
Maybe we should have focused more on the D line this offseason instead of safeties.
It all starts up front. If you want to build a good defense you have to start there and build backwards.

There wasn't an immediate need to upgrade the D-line because they didn't suck last year. We could have been better at DT, where we've struggled to stop the run for years, but the fact is we had no problem getting pressure last year. Now everybody looks slow and confused. More importantly though, they look scared to tackle. If you can't make a simple tackle you're hopeless. You can have blazing speed, diagnose every play perfectly and be all around the ball, but if you miss the tackle you're useless.

Sadly, missed tackles are just one of the problems.

09-29-2014, 03:51 PM	#11
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,717 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by SaintsBro Byrd is 45 yards in the other direction of the ball, lining up on the other side of the midfield logo from the line of scrimmage, on almost every play. If the other team suddenly randomly decided to pooch punt the ball to him, Rob Ryan would be hailed as a DEFENSIVE GENIUS. Maybe Byrd is a playmaker, a difference maker, I don't know, but seriously -- half the time there are people sitting in section 141 of the Dome, that are closer to the action than Byrd is. That's what I saw. I won't watch it again so someone will have to watch the dreaded game file and confirm. On critical 3rd downs I saw Byrd flying off into la la land, deeeep down the middle of the field. All the while the crossing middle always open 7 yards out, our safety is 40 yards off covering a deep pass before the play even starts. I have no idea what they see or what they are doing out there! SaintsBro likes this.

09-29-2014, 04:15 PM	#12
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by Halo That's what I saw. .... On critical 3rd downs I saw Byrd flying off into la la land, deeeep down the middle of the field. All the while the crossing middle always open 7 yards out, our safety is 40 yards off covering a deep pass before the play even starts. I have no idea what they see or what they are doing out there! And when they do that it's like the Saints D are playing 10 men on 11. It really really is. No wonder they are getting carved up. Halo and jonnyrotten like this.

09-29-2014, 04:53 PM	#13
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,717 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by SaintsBro And when they do that it's like the Saints D are playing 10 men on 11. It really really is. No wonder they are getting carved up. I've said the same thing every game we've played this season from the opener against Atlanta. On defense, most downs we look like a team missing a player, like we are only playing 10 players on defense. Either a LB seems missing, a DB or safety seems missing... I can never seem to put my finger on it and in different formation the void appears to be in other places. It's baffling. I can't be the only person who feels this way, which concerns me. Like we have a broken joystick on a video game and 1 player flies off somewhere and we can't do anything about it. dizzle88 likes this.
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09-29-2014, 10:25 PM	#14
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by Halo I've said the same thing every game we've played this season from the opener against Atlanta. On defense, most downs we look like a team missing a player, like we are only playing 10 players on defense. Either a LB seems missing, a DB or safety seems missing... I can never seem to put my finger on it and in different formation the void appears to be in other places. It's baffling. I can't be the only person who feels this way, which concerns me. Like we have a broken joystick on a video game and 1 player flies off somewhere and we can't do anything about it. I can't figure it out either, I do know we have 0 push up the middle, our lb.'s can't cover and our secondary has to play front7 because our front7 aint'. Last night was an embarrassment to me and not only the D, Brees throwing behind recievers all night, our O-line looked like they are bound for an old folks home, our recieverss can't catch a cold and if they could they would fumble, piss poor showing as a team in my opinion,. No improvement nowhere, no how!! Made me red in the face from being MAD!! Halo and jonnyrotten like this.

09-30-2014, 12:02 AM	#15
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Byrd Byrd is pretty much our last line of defense...and it's not good when 4 of the top 5 leading tacklers are DBs. He has taken a lot of bad angles so far and whiffed on a lot of tackles. On that 28 yard TD run by Murray he looked like a tackling dummy....straight trucked with little resistance.

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09-30-2014, 12:11 AM	#16
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09-30-2014, 12:45 AM	#17
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Byrd I think Byrd and Keenan Lewis are great but EVERYONE else in the secondary is AWFUL including Vaccarro. Lofton is our only LB consistently by the ball. Galette-who knows? Hicks-either looks totally unblockable or worthless. Cam Jordan-playing hard-but not in the backfield as much as I thought he'd be. Anyway I see Byrd flying around, batting balls and trying hard. I have no complaints about Byrd. I've been waiting for teams to attack Vaccarro cuz he's slow and they have been with much success. . No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying.

09-30-2014, 01:01 AM	#18
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by billyt81 No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying. Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin'

09-30-2014, 02:57 AM	#19
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin' What EXACTLY did Vaccarro excel at last year? When he hits people they drop. true. He plays with a nasty attitude. Love it. But can he cover a TE, RB or slot WR? Is he a ballhawk? Did he record more tackles than Harper the year before? And I'm tired of these Bleacher Report rankings that rank everything. Don't quote me some stat that says he's a great cover guy. Someone recently posted a report(after I dogged JG blocking), that Jimmy is the 10th best blocking TE in the NFL. LOL. I'll drink to that. jonnyrotten likes this.

09-30-2014, 04:58 AM	#20
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by The Dude I see a lot of people down on him. I get it, he doesn't look like the player we hoped he would be. Adding insult to injury we have key Saints players we had to let go to sign him and JG on other teams having a good year. He isn't producing but the guy hits hard. Its really really hard to evaluate how well any of our DBs are doing because they are not getting any help whatsoever up front. Like I said in another post, you can have an entire backfield of Richard Shermans but it wouldn't matter if your line gave the QB all day to throw and continually let players by to get into the secondary. Maybe we should have focused more on the D line this offseason instead of safeties. It all starts up front. If you want to build a good defense you have to start there and build backwards. There wasn't an immediate need to upgrade the D-line because they didn't suck last year. We could have been better at DT, where we've struggled to stop the run for years, but the fact is we had no problem getting pressure last year. Now everybody looks slow and confused. More importantly though, they look scared to tackle. If you can't make a simple tackle you're hopeless. You can have blazing speed, diagnose every play perfectly and be all around the ball, but if you miss the tackle you're useless. Sadly, missed tackles are just one of the problems. ClintSaints likes this.
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