Byrd

billyt81 · 09-30-2014, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin'

What EXACTLY did Vaccarro excel at last year? When he hits people they drop. true. He plays with a nasty attitude. Love it. But can he cover a TE, RB or slot WR? Is he a ballhawk? Did he record more tackles than Harper the year before? And I'm tired of these Bleacher Report rankings that rank everything. Don't quote me some stat that says he's a great cover guy. Someone recently posted a report(after I dogged JG blocking), that Jimmy is the 10th best blocking TE in the NFL. LOL. I'll drink to that.

Danno · 09-30-2014, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

. I've been waiting for teams to attack Vaccarro cuz he's slow and they have been with much success. . No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying.

Vaccaro has looked as bad or worse than Harper ever did. Vaccaro is an in the box safety similar to Harper. Play him too deep and he'll get exposed. Keep him in the box and he's probably a pro-bowler.

Byrd has looked bad, but that's what happens to safeties when you don't have a solid pass rush or a good front 7.

dizzle88 · 09-30-2014, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Vaccaro has looked as bad or worse than Harper ever did. Vaccaro is an in the box safety similar to Harper. Play him too deep and he'll get exposed. Keep him in the box and he's probably a pro-bowler.

Byrd has looked bad, but that's what happens to safeties when you don't have a solid pass rush or a good front 7.

Vaccaro has looked terrible, but then what player on our defense has actually looked good?

Corey white stills grades out as our best DB, I still see him trying every week, I can't say the same for the others

rezburna · 09-30-2014, 08:32 AM

Keenan Lewis did an excellent job on Dez Bryant. Man to man. No help from the safeties. He did his thing. Vacarro did well playing nickel corner and covering people last year. I don't know what the issue is. Everybody on our defense looked great last year. Maybe it's because teams didn't know what to expect. They've got a year worth of film. They know exactly what they want to exploit.

burningmetal · 09-30-2014, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I see a lot of people down on him. I get it, he doesn't look like the player we hoped he would be. Adding insult to injury we have key Saints players we had to let go to sign him and JG on other teams having a good year.
He isn't producing but the guy hits hard. Its really really hard to evaluate how well any of our DBs are doing because they are not getting any help whatsoever up front. Like I said in another post, you can have an entire backfield of Richard Shermans but it wouldn't matter if your line gave the QB all day to throw and continually let players by to get into the secondary.
Maybe we should have focused more on the D line this offseason instead of safeties.
It all starts up front. If you want to build a good defense you have to start there and build backwards.

There wasn't an immediate need to upgrade the D-line because they didn't suck last year. We could have been better at DT, where we've struggled to stop the run for years, but the fact is we had no problem getting pressure last year. Now everybody looks slow and confused. More importantly though, they look scared to tackle. If you can't make a simple tackle you're hopeless. You can have blazing speed, diagnose every play perfectly and be all around the ball, but if you miss the tackle you're useless.

Sadly, missed tackles are just one of the problems.

Mardigras9 · 09-30-2014, 09:03 AM

I heard a ridiculous statistic yesterday (sorry can't qoute it, maybe Oak can help) about the number of solo tackles made by our DB's and safeties against Dallas. This of course means they were the last chance to tackle because the Dallas player had gotten past the front 7.

Until the front starts getting some pressure and playing at the level we all thought they were capable of, it just doesn't matter if it's Byrd, P-Rob, White, Charles Woodson, or Ronnie Lott. They are going to get picked apart every week.

lumm0x · 09-30-2014, 09:49 AM

Byrd has been one of 4 defenders I see making efforts. Only he, Keenan, White and Lofton are playing. Everyone else is awol. We overpaid for him but in fairness I saw him as the last piece of the puzzle that was an excellent defense last year. I figured with him as a realistic upgrade over Malcolm Jenkins we could play more one high safety coverage and allow Vaccaro to be disruptive at the line.

I truly do not understand what is wrong beyond lack of effort, ignoring basic fundamentals of defense and perhaps our scheme becoming stale. We have been atrocious on defense overall and it's shocking and frustrating.

ClintSaints · 09-30-2014, 10:49 AM

All I can say is we better f**king beat Tampa Bay into oblivion.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-30-2014, 11:44 AM

Vacarro last year was very solid in guarding te's and wr's in the slot and was a beast in run support. Idk what it is this year, imma go with no pressure and scheme same with Byrd having to babysit cb's instead of roaming like he did in Buffalo. Seems like Rob and Sean are trying to reinvent the wheel and out smarting themsleves in the process

Audiotom · 09-30-2014, 11:47 AM

Byrd totally wiffed on the last defense on some critical plays against the Cowboys

coming from 20+ yards deep to stop someone from taking it all the way still results in a 10 yard gain and first down

I would rather see us gamble and play tight

Byrd has been laying some hits on occasion but he is just being totally inappropriately utilized

09-30-2014, 01:57 AM	#1
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Didn't seem to bother him last year. Just sayin' What EXACTLY did Vaccarro excel at last year? When he hits people they drop. true. He plays with a nasty attitude. Love it. But can he cover a TE, RB or slot WR? Is he a ballhawk? Did he record more tackles than Harper the year before? And I'm tired of these Bleacher Report rankings that rank everything. Don't quote me some stat that says he's a great cover guy. Someone recently posted a report(after I dogged JG blocking), that Jimmy is the 10th best blocking TE in the NFL. LOL. I'll drink to that. jonnyrotten likes this.

09-30-2014, 07:52 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by billyt81 . I've been waiting for teams to attack Vaccarro cuz he's slow and they have been with much success. . No one will mention it cuz he's our golden boy but he ran the same combine 40 as Harper. Just saying. Vaccaro has looked as bad or worse than Harper ever did. Vaccaro is an in the box safety similar to Harper. Play him too deep and he'll get exposed. Keep him in the box and he's probably a pro-bowler. Byrd has looked bad, but that's what happens to safeties when you don't have a solid pass rush or a good front 7. dizzle88 likes this.

09-30-2014, 08:24 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by Danno Vaccaro has looked as bad or worse than Harper ever did. Vaccaro is an in the box safety similar to Harper. Play him too deep and he'll get exposed. Keep him in the box and he's probably a pro-bowler. Byrd has looked bad, but that's what happens to safeties when you don't have a solid pass rush or a good front 7. Vaccaro has looked terrible, but then what player on our defense has actually looked good? Corey white stills grades out as our best DB, I still see him trying every week, I can't say the same for the others

09-30-2014, 08:32 AM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Byrd Keenan Lewis did an excellent job on Dez Bryant. Man to man. No help from the safeties. He did his thing. Vacarro did well playing nickel corner and covering people last year. I don't know what the issue is. Everybody on our defense looked great last year. Maybe it's because teams didn't know what to expect. They've got a year worth of film. They know exactly what they want to exploit.

09-30-2014, 03:58 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Byrd Originally Posted by The Dude I see a lot of people down on him. I get it, he doesn't look like the player we hoped he would be. Adding insult to injury we have key Saints players we had to let go to sign him and JG on other teams having a good year. He isn't producing but the guy hits hard. Its really really hard to evaluate how well any of our DBs are doing because they are not getting any help whatsoever up front. Like I said in another post, you can have an entire backfield of Richard Shermans but it wouldn't matter if your line gave the QB all day to throw and continually let players by to get into the secondary. Maybe we should have focused more on the D line this offseason instead of safeties. It all starts up front. If you want to build a good defense you have to start there and build backwards. There wasn't an immediate need to upgrade the D-line because they didn't suck last year. We could have been better at DT, where we've struggled to stop the run for years, but the fact is we had no problem getting pressure last year. Now everybody looks slow and confused. More importantly though, they look scared to tackle. If you can't make a simple tackle you're hopeless. You can have blazing speed, diagnose every play perfectly and be all around the ball, but if you miss the tackle you're useless. Sadly, missed tackles are just one of the problems. ClintSaints likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-30-2014, 09:03 AM	#6
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Byrd I heard a ridiculous statistic yesterday (sorry can't qoute it, maybe Oak can help) about the number of solo tackles made by our DB's and safeties against Dallas. This of course means they were the last chance to tackle because the Dallas player had gotten past the front 7. Until the front starts getting some pressure and playing at the level we all thought they were capable of, it just doesn't matter if it's Byrd, P-Rob, White, Charles Woodson, or Ronnie Lott. They are going to get picked apart every week. ClintSaints likes this.

09-30-2014, 09:49 AM	#7
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Byrd Byrd has been one of 4 defenders I see making efforts. Only he, Keenan, White and Lofton are playing. Everyone else is awol. We overpaid for him but in fairness I saw him as the last piece of the puzzle that was an excellent defense last year. I figured with him as a realistic upgrade over Malcolm Jenkins we could play more one high safety coverage and allow Vaccaro to be disruptive at the line. I truly do not understand what is wrong beyond lack of effort, ignoring basic fundamentals of defense and perhaps our scheme becoming stale. We have been atrocious on defense overall and it's shocking and frustrating. K Major likes this.

09-30-2014, 10:49 AM	#8
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Byrd All I can say is we better f**king beat Tampa Bay into oblivion.

09-30-2014, 11:44 AM	#9
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Byrd Vacarro last year was very solid in guarding te's and wr's in the slot and was a beast in run support. Idk what it is this year, imma go with no pressure and scheme same with Byrd having to babysit cb's instead of roaming like he did in Buffalo. Seems like Rob and Sean are trying to reinvent the wheel and out smarting themsleves in the process

09-30-2014, 11:47 AM	#10
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Byrd Byrd totally wiffed on the last defense on some critical plays against the Cowboys coming from 20+ yards deep to stop someone from taking it all the way still results in a 10 yard gain and first down I would rather see us gamble and play tight Byrd has been laying some hits on occasion but he is just being totally inappropriately utilized

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