Jarius Byrd to IR

10-03-2014, 11:12 PM

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Jack Vegas · 10-04-2014, 01:32 AM

I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it......

We're better off without him.

I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off.

The Dude · 10-04-2014, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Are you crazy?! We're 1-3 with the Bucs coming to town before a bye. Get real. We still have a shot to turn it around.

Stop being hopeless. Its much more exciting to be hopeful and optimistic.

We have yet to play Green Bay, San Fran, Cincinnati, who will destroy our defense worse than Dallas did, and a Ravens team that is surging currently through the play of Steve Smith who has been a Saint killer for years and looks to not have lost anything. The Bears in Chicago in December is a very unlikely win as well. That's not counting the games in our division. I really don't see us winning any of these games the way our defense is playing. Our offense is not the same offense we have had in the past and won't be able to keep up with teams putting up double digit points on our defense.
We are screwed. Our record doesn't matter, we look like crap. Worse than crap, we are a staght up awful football team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we lose to Tampa this weekend.

The Dude · 10-04-2014, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it......

We're better off without him.

I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off.

He didn't just come here and all of a sudden start to suck. He is a 3 time pro bowler. He has had to make up for ****ty tackling by linebackers and an offensive line that can't pressure worth a crap. You could put the best safeties and corners in the league back there and they would all look like crap as long as we are losing up front. A good front line can make up for crappy DB play, not the other way around.
If we get better it won't be because we don't have him.

blackangold · 10-04-2014, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We have yet to play Green Bay, San Fran, Cincinnati, who will destroy our defense worse than Dallas did, and a Ravens team that is surging currently through the play of Steve Smith who has been a Saint killer for years and looks to not have lost anything. The Bears in Chicago in December is a very unlikely win as well. That's not counting the games in our division. I really don't see us winning any of these games the way our defense is playing. Our offense is not the same offense we have had in the past and won't be able to keep up with teams putting up double digit points on our defense.
We are screwed. Our record doesn't matter, we look like crap. Worse than crap, we are a staght up awful football team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we lose to Tampa this weekend.

You should know by now that our opponent does not matter. We play ourselves every week. If we play Saints football we win 100% of the time.

Green Bay looks soft, if you are impressed with their win over the vikings in their house and when they had the third string QB in...

49ers look like **** this season on both sides of the ball.

Cinci looks good but we get them at home along with the 2 teams mentioned above.

Baltimore looks average at best and once again we get them at home.

My point is we could play the Hawks 16 games in a row and if we play Saints football we win 16 games. The only team that can beat the Saints are the Saints.

SaintFanQ · 10-04-2014, 05:00 AM

If the Saints play this Sunday like we know they can and use all that talent to its best ability then we will be fine.

If we don't! . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well you all know the what the outcome will be!!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

FinSaint · 10-04-2014, 06:11 AM

I'm just glad the Saints are as deep at safety as they are.

hagan714 · 10-04-2014, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it......

We're better off without him.

I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off.

Jarius Byrd jump to the NFC South from the AFC East was a huge jump in WR and QB talent from anything he has faced before. He would never put up those numbers in almost any other division in football. for various reason too.

Still believe the early success of the multiple safeties system is what is killing us today. way to much effort and money has been spent in the past two years to upgrade the safety position that to be honest were ok but not that bad.

We need a corner to step up now or address that issue early in the off season next year. that is the only way i can see this system working out. 2 solid shut down type CB.

So the drop in CB quality on this saints team when he signed has hurt Byrds playing style just as much as quality of players he is facing every Sunday.

saints can in no way can match the quality of CB that Byrd has played with in Buffalo since entering the NFL. same could be said for the LBers to a point. Buffallo not having a defense has never really been their issue.

So you maybe right. the saints maybe better off but in no way do i put the blame on him. i rest the blame on the quality of DBs and LBs he has to adjust too. the quality of players he is facing. As well as this funky system Rob is trying to put in place here.

next years draft CBs and LBs early and often.

With that said I still like the move but that contract????

FinSaint · 10-04-2014, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

With that said I still like the move but that contract????

I still like his contract more than the one they gave to Junior.

|Mitch| · 10-04-2014, 12:59 PM

Bush already made the most of his opportunities this season. The fifth-year safety has five less tackles than Byrd, while only being on the field a third of the time.

After all, this same defense was able to play as well as it did last year without a safety the caliber of Byrd. Vaccaro was a rookie, while veteran Malcolm Jenkins played the entire season with a negative grade from Pro Football Focus (subscription required). Bush, on the other hand, played the third-most snaps at safety last year and received a positive grade.

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10-04-2014, 01:32 AM	#72
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it...... We're better off without him. I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off. hagan714 likes this.
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10-04-2014, 01:39 AM	#73
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by jnormand Are you crazy?! We're 1-3 with the Bucs coming to town before a bye. Get real. We still have a shot to turn it around. Stop being hopeless. Its much more exciting to be hopeful and optimistic. We have yet to play Green Bay, San Fran, Cincinnati, who will destroy our defense worse than Dallas did, and a Ravens team that is surging currently through the play of Steve Smith who has been a Saint killer for years and looks to not have lost anything. The Bears in Chicago in December is a very unlikely win as well. That's not counting the games in our division. I really don't see us winning any of these games the way our defense is playing. Our offense is not the same offense we have had in the past and won't be able to keep up with teams putting up double digit points on our defense. We are screwed. Our record doesn't matter, we look like crap. Worse than crap, we are a staght up awful football team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we lose to Tampa this weekend.
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10-04-2014, 01:42 AM	#74
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it...... We're better off without him. I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off. He didn't just come here and all of a sudden start to suck. He is a 3 time pro bowler. He has had to make up for ****ty tackling by linebackers and an offensive line that can't pressure worth a crap. You could put the best safeties and corners in the league back there and they would all look like crap as long as we are losing up front. A good front line can make up for crappy DB play, not the other way around. If we get better it won't be because we don't have him. hagan714, darstep and K Major like this.
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10-04-2014, 02:25 AM	#75
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by The Dude We have yet to play Green Bay, San Fran, Cincinnati, who will destroy our defense worse than Dallas did, and a Ravens team that is surging currently through the play of Steve Smith who has been a Saint killer for years and looks to not have lost anything. The Bears in Chicago in December is a very unlikely win as well. That's not counting the games in our division. I really don't see us winning any of these games the way our defense is playing. Our offense is not the same offense we have had in the past and won't be able to keep up with teams putting up double digit points on our defense. We are screwed. Our record doesn't matter, we look like crap. Worse than crap, we are a staght up awful football team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we lose to Tampa this weekend. You should know by now that our opponent does not matter. We play ourselves every week. If we play Saints football we win 100% of the time. Green Bay looks soft, if you are impressed with their win over the vikings in their house and when they had the third string QB in... 49ers look like **** this season on both sides of the ball. Cinci looks good but we get them at home along with the 2 teams mentioned above. Baltimore looks average at best and once again we get them at home. My point is we could play the Hawks 16 games in a row and if we play Saints football we win 16 games. The only team that can beat the Saints are the Saints. hagan714, Barry from MS and brees84 like this.

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10-04-2014, 05:00 AM	#76
SaintFanQ Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 798	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR If the Saints play this Sunday like we know they can and use all that talent to its best ability then we will be fine. If we don't! . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well you all know the what the outcome will be!!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!! hagan714 likes this.

10-04-2014, 06:11 AM	#77
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR I'm just glad the Saints are as deep at safety as they are. hagan714 likes this.

10-04-2014, 06:58 AM	#78
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I'm going to say it.....yeah, I'm going to say it...... We're better off without him. I'm dead serious. I think we'll be better off. Jarius Byrd jump to the NFC South from the AFC East was a huge jump in WR and QB talent from anything he has faced before. He would never put up those numbers in almost any other division in football. for various reason too. Still believe the early success of the multiple safeties system is what is killing us today. way to much effort and money has been spent in the past two years to upgrade the safety position that to be honest were ok but not that bad. We need a corner to step up now or address that issue early in the off season next year. that is the only way i can see this system working out. 2 solid shut down type CB. So the drop in CB quality on this saints team when he signed has hurt Byrds playing style just as much as quality of players he is facing every Sunday. saints can in no way can match the quality of CB that Byrd has played with in Buffalo since entering the NFL. same could be said for the LBers to a point. Buffallo not having a defense has never really been their issue. So you maybe right. the saints maybe better off but in no way do i put the blame on him. i rest the blame on the quality of DBs and LBs he has to adjust too. the quality of players he is facing. As well as this funky system Rob is trying to put in place here. next years draft CBs and LBs early and often. With that said I still like the move but that contract???? MarchingOn likes this.
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10-04-2014, 12:06 PM	#79
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by hagan714 With that said I still like the move but that contract???? I still like his contract more than the one they gave to Junior.

10-04-2014, 12:59 PM	#80
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Bush already made the most of his opportunities this season. The fifth-year safety has five less tackles than Byrd, while only being on the field a third of the time. After all, this same defense was able to play as well as it did last year without a safety the caliber of Byrd. Vaccaro was a rookie, while veteran Malcolm Jenkins played the entire season with a negative grade from Pro Football Focus (subscription required). Bush, on the other hand, played the third-most snaps at safety last year and received a positive grade.

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