Jarius Byrd to IR

10-04-2014, 03:14 PM

Wouldn't the above quoted stat by Mitch depend largely on defensive play-calling? As in putting the other guy in on a running down and close to the LOS rather than lining up the other guy 30 yards off the LOS?

Danno · 10-04-2014, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Wouldn't the above quoted stat by Mitch depend largely on defensive play-calling? As in putting the other guy in on a running down and close to the LOS rather than lining up the other guy 30 yards off the LOS?

Trudat Fin, Bush plays a different role which affords him more opportunity to make tackles.

I did read an article in the off-season that claimed Bush wasn't as great as many thought, due to what the defense required of him.

But we'll see, I think we kept Atlanta from signing him for a reason. We're about to find out if we were right.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-04-2014, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Just not our year. Time to tank for draft

Hmmm. This seems to belie the fact that no matter the record, one of the NFC South teams will get into the playoffs.

Last I checked, the Saints were just a bit more that 1 game out of first place in the division.

Also the last I checked the Saints have 5 more division games to play.

The Giants have won the Superbowl twice in the last decade with 9-7 records going in.

The season isn't over until you are mathematically eliminated.

Tanking before playing a single game in October? Seriously?

SFIAH

Jack Vegas · 10-04-2014, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Wouldn't the above quoted stat by Mitch depend largely on defensive play-calling? As in putting the other guy in on a running down and close to the LOS rather than lining up the other guy 30 yards off the LOS?

I honestly don't think Byrd lining up so far back has anything to do with the play call. That's where he always set up in Buffalo's defense too.

Here's an analysis: All-22: The Jairus Byrd Question | Birds 24/7

Now, what I think has happened here: Ryan tried to shoehorn Byrd into the defense, letting him play his same deep free safety spot. That means all the other DB's are forced to play it safe because they know they don't have immediate help. They don't play as aggressive, and therefore not as confident.

I do not think signing Byrd was a mistake at all. But I do think they have struggled to figure out some chemistry issues in the secondary. Eliminating the problem of how to incorporate him into the defense might just make things a lot better.

rezburna · 10-04-2014, 03:36 PM

Might be a blessing in disguise.

Danno · 10-04-2014, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Hmmm. This seems to belie the fact that no matter the record, one of the NFC South teams will get into the playoffs.

Last I checked, the Saints were just a bit more that 1 game out of first place in the division.

Also the last I checked the Saints have 5 more division games to play.

The Giants have won the Superbowl twice in the last decade with 9-7 records going in.

The season isn't over until you are mathematically eliminated.

Tanking before playing a single game in October? Seriously?

SFIAH

Show me someone who wants to tank, and I'll show you a loser.

I want no part of any player, coach, or fan that wants to lose on purpose.

DrewDat · 10-04-2014, 03:40 PM

I think Bush is gonna go in and shake things up...I think he actually adds attitude to the defense...now you have TWO hard hitting safeties and Bush has speed...I'm excited to see him finally get his chance to shine

jeanpierre · 10-04-2014, 04:17 PM

Have to see a list of Loomis' foray into Veteran free agency...

Brees is gonna be a Hall of Famer...

Despite Darren Sharper's alleged recent legal troubles, he was the difference maker in the Saints' SuperBowl run...

Greer, smallish, got banged up some but was a success when he was healthy...

Jon Goodwin's first run with the Saints was solid...

FinSaint · 10-04-2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I honestly don't think Byrd lining up so far back has anything to do with the play call. That's where he always set up in Buffalo's defense too.

Here's an analysis: All-22: The Jairus Byrd Question | Birds 24/7

Now, what I think has happened here: Ryan tried to shoehorn Byrd into the defense, letting him play his same deep free safety spot. That means all the other DB's are forced to play it safe because they know they don't have immediate help. They don't play as aggressive, and therefore not as confident.

I do not think signing Byrd was a mistake at all. But I do think they have struggled to figure out some chemistry issues in the secondary. Eliminating the problem of how to incorporate him into the defense might just make things a lot better.

You have some valid points, but what I was trying to say was that it's hardly useful to compare apples to oranges or let's say a MLB to an OLB. And this is in response to what Mitch quoted, not anything he himself said.

darstep · 10-04-2014, 05:01 PM

They only allow eleven on the field at a time.
Byrd laid doo-doo with the other 10 guys he was with.
We will still have eleven on the field without him,
and eveybody has to do their job which includes covering
one of the other 10 from time to time.
Our problem has been, no one is doing their job well enough
to be able to offer assistance elsewhere.
I sincerely hope he wasn't in the 1st group just so we get our monies worth.
If he was actually the better choice, then it's not going to get better.
Somebody teach these guys in coverage how to look back after 3 seconds.
Double-move OK, triple-move maybe, but NEVER a quadruple-move...
Turn and look for the ball, even if you look like shoe-string-tied Fred Thomas,
make a play on the ball. By the way, Fred Thomas didn't miss tackles...EVER.
As bad as Jason David was, he lead the team in interceptions.
All I'm saying is be good at something...then work on the rest.

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10-04-2014, 03:23 PM	#82
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by FinSaint Wouldn't the above quoted stat by Mitch depend largely on defensive play-calling? As in putting the other guy in on a running down and close to the LOS rather than lining up the other guy 30 yards off the LOS? Trudat Fin, Bush plays a different role which affords him more opportunity to make tackles. I did read an article in the off-season that claimed Bush wasn't as great as many thought, due to what the defense required of him. But we'll see, I think we kept Atlanta from signing him for a reason. We're about to find out if we were right.

10-04-2014, 03:30 PM	#83
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by The Dude Just not our year. Time to tank for draft Hmmm. This seems to belie the fact that no matter the record, one of the NFC South teams will get into the playoffs. Last I checked, the Saints were just a bit more that 1 game out of first place in the division. Also the last I checked the Saints have 5 more division games to play. The Giants have won the Superbowl twice in the last decade with 9-7 records going in. The season isn't over until you are mathematically eliminated. Tanking before playing a single game in October? Seriously? SFIAH hagan714 and FinSaint like this.

10-04-2014, 03:32 PM	#84
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by FinSaint Wouldn't the above quoted stat by Mitch depend largely on defensive play-calling? As in putting the other guy in on a running down and close to the LOS rather than lining up the other guy 30 yards off the LOS? I honestly don't think Byrd lining up so far back has anything to do with the play call. That's where he always set up in Buffalo's defense too. Here's an analysis: All-22: The Jairus Byrd Question \| Birds 24/7 Now, what I think has happened here: Ryan tried to shoehorn Byrd into the defense, letting him play his same deep free safety spot. That means all the other DB's are forced to play it safe because they know they don't have immediate help. They don't play as aggressive, and therefore not as confident. I do not think signing Byrd was a mistake at all. But I do think they have struggled to figure out some chemistry issues in the secondary. Eliminating the problem of how to incorporate him into the defense might just make things a lot better. Danno and rezburna like this.
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10-04-2014, 03:37 PM	#86
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Hmmm. This seems to belie the fact that no matter the record, one of the NFC South teams will get into the playoffs. Last I checked, the Saints were just a bit more that 1 game out of first place in the division. Also the last I checked the Saints have 5 more division games to play. The Giants have won the Superbowl twice in the last decade with 9-7 records going in. The season isn't over until you are mathematically eliminated. Tanking before playing a single game in October? Seriously? SFIAH Show me someone who wants to tank, and I'll show you a loser. I want no part of any player, coach, or fan that wants to lose on purpose.

10-04-2014, 03:40 PM	#87
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10-04-2014, 04:17 PM	#88
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Have to see a list of Loomis' foray into Veteran free agency... Brees is gonna be a Hall of Famer... Despite Darren Sharper's alleged recent legal troubles, he was the difference maker in the Saints' SuperBowl run... Greer, smallish, got banged up some but was a success when he was healthy... Jon Goodwin's first run with the Saints was solid... hagan714 likes this.

10-04-2014, 04:38 PM	#89
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I honestly don't think Byrd lining up so far back has anything to do with the play call. That's where he always set up in Buffalo's defense too. Here's an analysis: All-22: The Jairus Byrd Question \| Birds 24/7 Now, what I think has happened here: Ryan tried to shoehorn Byrd into the defense, letting him play his same deep free safety spot. That means all the other DB's are forced to play it safe because they know they don't have immediate help. They don't play as aggressive, and therefore not as confident. I do not think signing Byrd was a mistake at all. But I do think they have struggled to figure out some chemistry issues in the secondary. Eliminating the problem of how to incorporate him into the defense might just make things a lot better. You have some valid points, but what I was trying to say was that it's hardly useful to compare apples to oranges or let's say a MLB to an OLB. And this is in response to what Mitch quoted, not anything he himself said.

10-04-2014, 05:01 PM	#90
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Jarius Byrd to IR They only allow eleven on the field at a time. Byrd laid doo-doo with the other 10 guys he was with. We will still have eleven on the field without him, and eveybody has to do their job which includes covering one of the other 10 from time to time. Our problem has been, no one is doing their job well enough to be able to offer assistance elsewhere. I sincerely hope he wasn't in the 1st group just so we get our monies worth. If he was actually the better choice, then it's not going to get better. Somebody teach these guys in coverage how to look back after 3 seconds. Double-move OK, triple-move maybe, but NEVER a quadruple-move... Turn and look for the ball, even if you look like shoe-string-tied Fred Thomas, make a play on the ball. By the way, Fred Thomas didn't miss tackles...EVER. As bad as Jason David was, he lead the team in interceptions. All I'm saying is be good at something...then work on the rest. hagan714 likes this.
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