What the Lions loss means

nutria · 10-20-2014, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jankman8

Looking forward to next sunday, what do we have to do to beat the Packers? Both the Panthers and the Falcons have tough matchups and we face the Panthers the week after.

Sack Rogers and somebody cover Jordy Nelson.

nutria · 10-20-2014, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I sat there having flash backs to saints teams of old. Amazing myself at what creative way will we lose this one.

BUT unlike saints teams of the past this is a good team shooting themselves in the foot time and time again.

What this means is some where in the near future the Saints will blow there feet off so they have nothing left to shoot and this ship will right itself and the wins will come.

So the goal #1 is the same today as it was at the beginning of the season. Win the South! that is still in our reach even if we limp into it.

The Saints of old always managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This team is starting to remind me of the Old Saints. They have a lot more talent, so there is really a fix for this, but if you knew
what it was you could retire early.

SmashMouth · 10-20-2014, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Well on a positive note, Shane Graham is 9 for 10 on field goals! Hot damn boys, we finally got us a consistent kicker!!

Even if he banks one in occasionally....

Mr.Riaton · 10-20-2014, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by nutria

Sack Rogers and somebody cover Jordy Nelson.

Helluva game plan but it might be a little too complicated....we need to simple things up a little bit.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-20-2014, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

This means I'm totally disgusted with this season. It is unfortunate that I am coming from Denver to attend the Packers game. I'm also bringing a paper bag. In the last 3 years we have had only one winning season. I'm aware one of those years is without Coach. However we are heading in the wrong direction at a rapid pace. What is so wrong with us?

Which 3 years?

2010 11-5
2011 13-3
2012 7-9
2013 11-5
2014 2-4

You cannot count 2014 as a losing season yet because the team has not lost 9 games yet.

As for what's wrong it's pretty obvious. The offense and defense makes too many mistakes in each game. Missed tackles, turnovers, missed assignments.

I was hoping that these could be fixed in the bye week. So much for that...

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-20-2014, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

It means we need to win a WHOLE bunch of games to climb out of this 2-4 hole.

Actually it doesn't. At this point there's only one available playoff slot (PLAYOFFS??!!, yes playoffs...) available to the Saints, the #4 seed. The top teams in the other three divisions are likely not to be caught.

The NFC South flat sucks this season. Every team is below .500 and the Saints are 1 game out of first place in the division. Literally by next Friday they can be leading the division at 4-4.

So nothing should change about the objective: win the next game.

What needs to change is the method.

It means we need a rookie(s) to step up and make this team better. I honestly don't recall the last pass over 20 yards intended for Cooks. Isn't this dude one of the fastest in the NFL? Did he all of a sudden lose his speed? Get his butt down the field.

Couldn't Sunseri offer a spark in the secondary? He is a smart, physical, sure-tackling, fast play-maker...I like smart and sure-tackling. Our secondary is too dumb and too lost more than it needs to be (see 73 yard Taterhead Tate TD w/less than 4 minutes in the game).

I don't see this as the rookies fault. Every loss this team has is because of mistakes, Interceptions, fumbles, blown assignments, missed tackles, and penalties. And it's not the rookies making these mistakes.

We can't buy a pass rush to close out a game, or get to the QB with just 4 without blitzing. Get Powell in there, and tell him to get to the QB.

Now this I agree with. Even an average NFL QB can be sucessful when they have all the time in the world to throw the ball.

We need a spark. Get Cooks vertical, get Sunseri back there to make this dumb secondary smarter, and get Powell in there to get to the freakin QB. Something.

Ideas that could work, but could also blow up in our face. But isn't a 2-4 record replicate a Wile E. Coyote series of events? Tired of seeing this team s--t the bed with underachieving morons.

A spark isn't going to cover up the mistakes. 3 of the 4 losses, and honestly 1 of the 2 wins were mistake filled games.

SFIAH

lumm0x · 10-20-2014, 11:33 AM

While I 100% agree that because our whole division is full of weak and irrelevant teams we have every opportunity to per the #4 seed and division winner, this still brings me next to no hope for our season.

This team is in chaos mode. We can't put 60 minutes of respectable football together. We are undisciplined, our fundamentals of the game are suspect and we are unable to overcome mistakes. This team needs to be perfect to win and we can't even sniff at perfect.

Even if we make the #4 seed I have such a small level of confidence that we can go on the road and win a game against a weak opponent let alone a top 4 conference team. We'd literally need a team to lose their starting QB just before playing us for me to have faith we could prevail.

I'll still watch it all, I'll still cheer all the time. I just don't have any confidence in this team this season.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-20-2014, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

While I 100% agree that because our whole division is full of weak and irrelevant teams we have every opportunity to per the #4 seed and division winner, this still brings me next to no hope for our season.

Tell that to the 9-7 Giants that won the SuperBowl. Once you get in, there's always a chance.

Also the team we have now may not be the same team in January.

This team is in chaos mode. We can't put 60 minutes of respectable football together. We are undisciplined, our fundamentals of the game are suspect and we are unable to overcome mistakes. This team needs to be perfect to win and we can't even sniff at perfect.

I pretty much agree with all this except for the perfect part. Just cutting down on missed tackles and not giving the ball away would be enough.

Even if we make the #4 seed I have such a small level of confidence that we can go on the road and win a game against a weak opponent let alone a top 4 conference team. We'd literally need a team to lose their starting QB just before playing us for me to have faith we could prevail.

I'll still watch it all, I'll still cheer all the time. I just don't have any confidence in this team this season.

All that is too far down the road. All the team can do now is what they can do now. Cut out the turnovers and tackle. It's really that simple.

SFIAH

Barry from MS · 10-20-2014, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I don't see this as the rookies fault. Every loss this team has is because of mistakes, Interceptions, fumbles, blown assignments, missed tackles, and penalties. And it's not the rookies making these mistakes. SFIAH

No, no, no, no...that's not what I meant. My bad.

What I feebly was trying to say was that the coaches should try and light a spark by putting a rookie(s) into a position to succeed. Getting Cooks down field running 10-30 yard routes instead of those line-of-scrimmage plays that are getting blown up more times than not or some dinky 5-10 yard route.

Or getting Sunseri into the secondary mix...great coverage by him in the end zone, by the way. Very encouraged by this.

But, no, I am definitely not pinning any blame on our rookies. My apologies with my not grasping the English language like I should. BFM

Utah_Saint · 10-20-2014, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Getting Cooks down field running 10-30 yard routes instead of those line-of-scrimmage plays that are getting blown up more times than not or some dinky 5-10 yard route.

I was just discussing this with a buddy yesterday. Why haven't they sent Cooks on more deep routes where he can get up a head of steam and take advantage of his speed?

10-20-2014, 08:29 AM	#41
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by Jankman8 Looking forward to next sunday, what do we have to do to beat the Packers? Both the Panthers and the Falcons have tough matchups and we face the Panthers the week after. Sack Rogers and somebody cover Jordy Nelson. Mr.Riaton and brees84 like this.

10-20-2014, 08:32 AM	#42
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by hagan714 I sat there having flash backs to saints teams of old. Amazing myself at what creative way will we lose this one. BUT unlike saints teams of the past this is a good team shooting themselves in the foot time and time again. What this means is some where in the near future the Saints will blow there feet off so they have nothing left to shoot and this ship will right itself and the wins will come. So the goal #1 is the same today as it was at the beginning of the season. Win the South! that is still in our reach even if we limp into it. The Saints of old always managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This team is starting to remind me of the Old Saints. They have a lot more talent, so there is really a fix for this, but if you knew what it was you could retire early.

10-20-2014, 09:31 AM	#43
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,978 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Well on a positive note, Shane Graham is 9 for 10 on field goals! Hot damn boys, we finally got us a consistent kicker!! Even if he banks one in occasionally.... Mr.Riaton likes this.

10-20-2014, 10:26 AM	#44
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by nutria Sack Rogers and somebody cover Jordy Nelson. Helluva game plan but it might be a little too complicated....we need to simple things up a little bit.

10-20-2014, 11:03 AM	#45
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by NOLA54 This means I'm totally disgusted with this season. It is unfortunate that I am coming from Denver to attend the Packers game. I'm also bringing a paper bag. In the last 3 years we have had only one winning season. I'm aware one of those years is without Coach. However we are heading in the wrong direction at a rapid pace. What is so wrong with us? Which 3 years? 2010 11-5 2011 13-3 2012 7-9 2013 11-5 2014 2-4 You cannot count 2014 as a losing season yet because the team has not lost 9 games yet. As for what's wrong it's pretty obvious. The offense and defense makes too many mistakes in each game. Missed tackles, turnovers, missed assignments. I was hoping that these could be fixed in the bye week. So much for that... SFIAH saintsfan1976 likes this.

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10-20-2014, 11:15 AM	#46
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by Barry from MS It means we need to win a *WHOLE* bunch of games to climb out of this 2-4 hole. Actually it doesn't. At this point there's only one available playoff slot (PLAYOFFS??!!, yes playoffs...) available to the Saints, the #4 seed. The top teams in the other three divisions are likely not to be caught. The NFC South flat sucks this season. Every team is below .500 and the Saints are 1 game out of first place in the division. Literally by next Friday they can be leading the division at 4-4. So nothing should change about the objective: win the next game. What needs to change is the method. It means we need a rookie(s) to step up and make this team better. I honestly don't recall the last pass over 20 yards intended for Cooks. Isn't this dude one of the fastest in the NFL? Did he all of a sudden lose his speed? Get his butt down the field. Couldn't Sunseri offer a spark in the secondary? He is a smart, physical, sure-tackling, fast play-maker...I like smart and sure-tackling. Our secondary is too dumb and too lost more than it needs to be (see 73 yard Taterhead Tate TD w/less than 4 minutes in the game). I don't see this as the rookies fault. Every loss this team has is because of mistakes, Interceptions, fumbles, blown assignments, missed tackles, and penalties. And it's not the rookies making these mistakes. We can't buy a pass rush to close out a game, or get to the QB with just 4 without blitzing. Get Powell in there, and tell him to get to the QB. Now this I agree with. Even an average NFL QB can be sucessful when they have all the time in the world to throw the ball. We need a spark. Get Cooks vertical, get Sunseri back there to make this dumb secondary smarter, and get Powell in there to get to the freakin QB. Something. Ideas that could work, but could also blow up in our face. But isn't a 2-4 record replicate a Wile E. Coyote series of events? Tired of seeing this team s--t the bed with underachieving morons. A spark isn't going to cover up the mistakes. 3 of the 4 losses, and honestly 1 of the 2 wins were mistake filled games. SFIAH
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10-20-2014, 11:33 AM	#47
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: What the Lions loss means While I 100% agree that because our whole division is full of weak and irrelevant teams we have every opportunity to per the #4 seed and division winner, this still brings me next to no hope for our season. This team is in chaos mode. We can't put 60 minutes of respectable football together. We are undisciplined, our fundamentals of the game are suspect and we are unable to overcome mistakes. This team needs to be perfect to win and we can't even sniff at perfect. Even if we make the #4 seed I have such a small level of confidence that we can go on the road and win a game against a weak opponent let alone a top 4 conference team. We'd literally need a team to lose their starting QB just before playing us for me to have faith we could prevail. I'll still watch it all, I'll still cheer all the time. I just don't have any confidence in this team this season.

10-20-2014, 12:27 PM	#48
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by lumm0x While I 100% agree that because our whole division is full of weak and irrelevant teams we have every opportunity to per the #4 seed and division winner, this still brings me next to no hope for our season. Tell that to the 9-7 Giants that won the SuperBowl. Once you get in, there's always a chance. Also the team we have now may not be the same team in January. This team is in chaos mode. We can't put 60 minutes of respectable football together. We are undisciplined, our fundamentals of the game are suspect and we are unable to overcome mistakes. This team needs to be perfect to win and we can't even sniff at perfect. I pretty much agree with all this except for the perfect part. Just cutting down on missed tackles and not giving the ball away would be enough. Even if we make the #4 seed I have such a small level of confidence that we can go on the road and win a game against a weak opponent let alone a top 4 conference team. We'd literally need a team to lose their starting QB just before playing us for me to have faith we could prevail. I'll still watch it all, I'll still cheer all the time. I just don't have any confidence in this team this season. All that is too far down the road. All the team can do now is what they can do now. Cut out the turnovers and tackle. It's really that simple. SFIAH

10-20-2014, 01:20 PM	#49
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I don't see this as the rookies fault. Every loss this team has is because of mistakes, Interceptions, fumbles, blown assignments, missed tackles, and penalties. And it's not the rookies making these mistakes. SFIAH No, no, no, no...that's not what I meant. My bad. What I feebly was trying to say was that the coaches should try and light a spark by putting a rookie(s) into a position to succeed. Getting Cooks down field running 10-30 yard routes instead of those line-of-scrimmage plays that are getting blown up more times than not or some dinky 5-10 yard route. Or getting Sunseri into the secondary mix...great coverage by him in the end zone, by the way. Very encouraged by this. But, no, I am definitely not pinning any blame on our rookies. My apologies with my not grasping the English language like I should. BFM
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10-20-2014, 01:26 PM	#50
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What the Lions loss means Originally Posted by Barry from MS Getting Cooks down field running 10-30 yard routes instead of those line-of-scrimmage plays that are getting blown up more times than not or some dinky 5-10 yard route. I was just discussing this with a buddy yesterday. Why haven't they sent Cooks on more deep routes where he can get up a head of steam and take advantage of his speed? dizzle88 likes this.

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