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QBREES9 10-22-2014 12:58 PM
Drew Brees and the Art of the Untimely Interception
 
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I have personally been a staunch supporter and at times defender of Brees' play over the years, because I believe that quarterbacks, although they get the lion share of the praise when things go well, also get unfairly criticized when things go south. Yes, Brees isn't what he used to be physically, but there are plenty of strong-armed quarterbacks riding the pine in the NFL, selling insurance in a strip mall or working a nine-to-five job to earn a hard living like you and me.

Where Brees has made his mark in the NFL despite being a diminutive quarterback who has always possessed an average arm, is with his smarts and his accuracy. But the smarts come first: make a good decision then fit the ball in the window you've diagnosed to be the best to throw into.


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dizzle88 10-22-2014 01:33 PM
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Can't really argue with anything in that article

Brees has been making decisions that a rookie QB would be annoyed at.

Something is really wrong, Brees used to be one of the best QB's when the pocket would break down because of his awareness, now he just starts panicking and lobbing the ball anywhere.

Brees also used to be the best QB in the league when teams would send pressure, now he's statistically the worst.

dizzle88 10-22-2014 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620392)
for me the problem isnt necessary drew. i feel now teams expect us to pass 85-90% of the times vs running the ball. its easier to put pressure on drew when you play 7 and sometimes 8 db's and the ol cant protect him like they once were against a four man front. so think about this you rush four and can get pressure on drew, play 7 or 8 men to cover our wr's and te's you even have a lb on our rb coming out of the backfield. so our passing attack isnt much of an attack at all. now if we start running robinson, ingram, even cadet and they start producing these 100 yrds backs i assure you things will get better for drew and our offense. i cant stress this enough. unless d murray of the cowboys get hurt, we will be watching them in the sb! again i said doesnt get hurt.
Besides the Detroit game, we've ran for over 120 yards each week
We are 6th in the league in rushing, I don't think the running game is our issue
It might be an issue if Brees if checking out of plays when we should be running the ball because he wants to pass.

Danno 10-22-2014 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620392)
for me the problem isnt necessary drew. i feel now teams expect us to pass 85-90% of the times vs running the ball. its easier to put pressure on drew when you play 7 and sometimes 8 db's and the ol cant protect him like they once were against a four man front. so think about this you rush four and can get pressure on drew, play 7 or 8 men to cover our wr's and te's you even have a lb on our rb coming out of the backfield. so our passing attack isnt much of an attack at all. now if we start running robinson, ingram, even cadet and they start producing these 100 yrds backs i assure you things will get better for drew and our offense. i cant stress this enough. unless d murray of the cowboys get hurt, we will be watching them in the sb! again i said doesnt get hurt.
We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 620400)
We pass 63.7% of the time, not 85-90, but yes, we should run more. A nice 60/40 mix would be fine with me.
If we're passing 63.7% of the time, we're right there are your 60/40... That ratio will fluctuate game to game, regardless...

Papa Voodoo 10-22-2014 03:05 PM
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Something has been off with the whole team this year. It's not just Drew. They do look to be getting better. Drew was doing exceptionally well in the DET game until that 3rd and 9 INT.

I would venture to say that as a whole, the NFL is having a down year.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620403)
okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football.
Looks like we are running well enough, especially in the first 2 games... All points to defense as the problem...
Week #1 = 139 rush yards
Week #2 = 174 rush yards
Week #3 = 108 rush yards
Week #4 = 108 rush yards
Week #5 = 140 rush yards
Week #6 = Bye
Week #7 = 73 rush yards

dizzle88 10-22-2014 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620403)
okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 !
No need to try and correct anyone because Mitch has posted the evidence.

Utah_Saint 10-22-2014 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620405)
im gonna say this till the season ends. if d murray stays healthy, dallas will go to the super bowl, why, because they are effectively running the football. so, now when t nomo goes to the line he sees a lot of one on one coverage vs dez and his other wr options so completing passes are pretty much easy. also even when the opposing teams' defense get pressure to t nomo he buys time by getting out of the pocket something i dont see drew doing a lot of. as i said before i know we all like the deep passes and seeing big plays, but the key element to winning football is still effectively running the ball. as i said before if d murray of the cowgirls stay healthy, they will be adding another sb champion to their banner.
And obviously the boys will be playing the Chiefs or the Jets in the Super Bowl because they're the two best AFC teams at running the ball effectively.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620411)
ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game.
We missed running 120 yards every week by 12 yards in two games, not including the Lions game...

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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620403)
okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football.
And in week 2, we had ran for 139 and 174 yards; but I guess the NFL's official stats are misleading though :rolleyes:

dizzle88 10-22-2014 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620411)
ah yes, and if you notice its not 120 yrds every game.
Average rush yards per game

123.33

My bad that it wasn't exactly 120 yards per game as I was speaking from memory, 174 yards obviously isn't good enough for you because you'll find a fault with anybody that disagrees with you.

Papa Voodoo 10-22-2014 03:47 PM
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see now you being silly. of course there's other elements that keeps the jets and chiefs out of the mix, like ummmm turnovers, but can you really, really argue the fact that dallas are successful because of their EFFECTIVE running game. its not t nomo like its been in the past throwing 30-40 times a game like our qb is doing (go ahead danno bring me the stat on that). its because when you can hand the ball off to a rb on 3 and 8 and he gets 10 or 11 yrds! c'mon man what can anyone's defense do with that?.... nothing.
Murray is a stud back, but the Dallas O-line is the primary reason why they have an effective running game.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 620415)
but the Dallas O-line is the primary reason why they have an effective running game.
Haven't they used their first round pick on O-Line the past three drafts?

dizzle88 10-22-2014 03:50 PM
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Haven't they used their first round pick on O-Line the past three drafts?
I believe so, Quite a few people laughed when they used their first rounder on a center

Its turned out pretty well for them.

NOLA54 10-22-2014 03:59 PM
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There is no way on earth Dallas should be 6-1 & we should be 2-4 yet it is a fact. Teams that were picked to be bad are winning & teams that were picked to go all the way are loosing with the exception of GB. It has been a crazy season so far.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620420)
ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves.
That's right, we should run 80%-90% of the time... I bet they'd get 200+ yards rushing facing 8-9 in the box on every down. :rolleyes:

I wonder if our offense would be any better than #2 in the league that we are now? #2 and our offense needs to get better; how about our #21st ranked defense?!

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 04:07 PM
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again everyone believe it or not. if dallas keeps rushing the ball the way their doing. WE ALL WILL BE SEEING THEM IN THE SB! i assure you all of this.
I'll take that bet!

ikecomp 10-22-2014 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620420)
ok okay if you all think that's enough rushing, go right ahead and keep lying to yourselves. i'm not. not when i see backs getting those yards by themselves and we have 4 backs and none of them yet have a 100yrds rushing. some of you will argue the saints never ran the ball like that, but let me erge you all times have changed. the peyton's, the tom brady's of qb's is becoming a thing of the pass and in order to take pressure of your qb that is struggling is to commit to the run game. again take a look at dallas what's working for them?.... ah yes the running game.
I think you're missing the point. No one is saying we don't need to run the ball. We're saying that the rushing yards that we're generating right now is not bad by any standard. The reason you may see other backs going for 100+ a game is because they are the feature back for their team. We don't have a feature back here. We do it by committee. It shouldn't matter where the yards are coming from as long as we get them.

It's also worth mentioning that most of murray's yards come before contact meaning his Oline is making wholes so big that he gets big chunk yardage before he even gets touched. I and every fan here would love to have that type of oline but honestly we don't so hoping for our running backs to get that type of yardage every game isn't going to happen. However, our rushing attack is far from bad.

Just trying to put some perspective on things. We have a lot of problems right now (poor decisions by brees at the worst times, breakdowns in defense at the worst times, poor communication by the defense, slow linebackers, etc) but our rushing attack is fairly low on the list of concerns.

You also neglected to mention how improved Dallas defense is this year which is also a big part of their success. I know they are helped by the run game but last year's defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. This year their defense is actually decent.

jnormand 10-22-2014 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620403)
okay let me correct you, no we didnt run over 120 yards every week! you know how i know is because i was stating this back in week 2 or 3 that the key to us winning this season is running the football. i also was putting up stats (like danno) showing where we had 4 backs combined for less than or slightly over 100yrds rushing. also i'm sorry danno maybe not 85-90% of the time but it sure in the hell seem like it. if you notice we come out throwing the ball. i feel they need to commit more to the run, meaning that they need to work on our run block more. lets get these guys use to run blocking for ingram, cadet, thomas, and robinson. once they do that passing will be better because now when drew goes to our ol and he sees colston one on one or graham in a one on one situation he'll be able to complete more accurately to those guys. right now because the oppsing defense knows our primary role is drew and his pass attack, they blitzing more and often times able to rush only four and still get pressure to drew. coaches please take pressure of these guys by committing to the run game please!
You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about.

dizzle88 10-22-2014 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 620432)
You say a lot of things. But mostly what I read is you trying to blow your own horn and say how you were right all along about something that you weren't necessarily right about.
Bingo!

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620434)
bet! and i hate the cowgirls but i'm a football fan and i know if they continue to do what they're doing offensively their going to the sb. also if you noticed i didnt mention anything about their defense.
Do you think they'll keep running as well as they are against defenses like the Lions or 49ers? :rolleyes:

Look at that, week #1 they ran for only 127 yards against the 49ers; that was a loss...

jnormand 10-22-2014 04:42 PM
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Hey Teddybare or Ted or whatever, try starting a post without the phrase "I told you all", " Well I said it before", "I was right.." or any combination of those or other self righteous posts or comments and you probably will get taken more seriously. All I read is the first couple of sentences of your comments and then stop because by the second sentence there's usually you brow beating someone else for disagreeing with your self proclaimed perfect logic or a comment about how you were right. Usually a combination of the two.

Just my opinion here (since you probably think yours is law) but I don't think anything you've said today makes any more sense than anyone else's opinion. In fact, I don't agree with you at all. And I think the posters you've been arguing with have made better and more logical points. Then again, they prob aren't trying to get a pat on the back or told how wonderful they are.

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 05:36 PM
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ai keep bringing up the pats game, do anyone remember that one.
You mean the one where Jabari Greer gave up the winning TD in the back corner of the end-zone with 34 seconds left?

hagan714 10-22-2014 05:38 PM
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If history does repeat itself Drew always has a string of games like he has had the past few weeks.

:pissed:

And once again if history does repeat itself the worse should be coming to end and another string of nearly perfect games is about to start

:broccoli:

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620460)
running the ball (effectively) will take pressure off drew and our offense will start clicking but many of you are satisfied with 108, or as mitch stated 178 which was wk one is good enough.
We already have the #2 ranked offense in the league, I could understand if we had the #30th ranked offense running a lot more would help. We could have the 10th ranked offense and if we had a better defense, we'd be super-bowl bound.

We could be running for 200+ every game and lose with this defense...

But I'm tired of arguing, it's like arguing with a fence-post...

|Mitch| 10-22-2014 05:55 PM
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but we did run for 174 in week 2 and still lost, but I guess that stat is misleading... :rolleyes:

Danno 10-22-2014 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620456)
the only thing i said and have been saying since week 1 is that, "our success this season rely on our running game". i never mentioned how well drew needs to play, i didnt mention anything about how well our defense needs to play, how well coach sp and other need to coach, nothing. i maybe wrong when it comes to stats and that's only because i'm not a stats guy. i believe in the "eye test method". nothing i said have been bogus. i may have been early in my detection whereas no one seen it or acknowledged it at that time, i.e. our offense is "equally the blame for our woes", when everyone was totally downing our defense. i also put up a formula by stating, "more offense + less defense = wins". so where did i say a lot of things but was wrong? all i see now is articles stating what i said earlier, in regards to our offense. i remember saying our offense is stagnant in clutch parts of the game, everyone on here said i was crazy and started putting up stats. now everyone is saying drew needs to do this, we need to do that, blah blah blah. again people just give me credit (a little) for my foresight. i told you all, i study the saints, i just dont watch them. meaning i dont need stats to say who's good or bad. i'm looking at them play. i saw weakeness last season in our offense and its just carrying over to this season.
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and maybe you're right i shouldnt start off by saying "i told you so", but where have i been wrong. so me saying dallas is successfull due to their running game is false? who would really argue with that fact? when i said our offense needs to create drives that there were parts in the game where we could have won on offense, how is that false. i even pointed out some instances. drew been throwing int's he did it last year. our offense showed signes of not being able to pick up first downs when we need them they did that last year.i keep bringing up the pats game, do anyone remember that one. the only reason why i mentioned that scenerio is because i was betting on them and i didnt put my money on the saints that week because of an uneasy feeling i had and my partner called me saying how i should have and right before he could finish he gloat we lost. lol so everyone please forgive me, dont want to come off as i told you so type of person but my tune hasnt changed. running the ball (effectively) will take pressure off drew and our offense will start clicking but many of you are satisfied with 108, or as mitch stated 178 which was wk one is good enough.
Do you even read your posts before you hit submit reply?

Utah_Saint 10-22-2014 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 620410)
see now you being silly. of course there's other elements that keeps the jets and chiefs out of the mix, like ummmm turnovers, but can you really, really argue the fact that dallas are successful because of their EFFECTIVE running game. its not t nomo like its been in the past throwing 30-40 times a game like our qb is doing (go ahead danno bring me the stat on that). its because when you can hand the ball off to a rb on 3 and 8 and he gets 10 or 11 yrds! c'mon man what can anyone's defense do with that?.... nothing.
What?!?!? What are you saying?!?!? Are you trying to tell me there's more to a successful team than "Run, Run, Run the damn ball" ?


Seattle, Kansas City and Oakland throw the ball the least and none of them have a winning record.


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