Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

jeanpierre · 10-23-2014, 07:02 AM

"The New Orleans Saints were on easy street at cornerback, for once, during the 2013 season. They weren't going to find much better than Keenan Lewis and Jabari Greer.

The tandem stood as one of the primary factors in such an over-achieving turnaround on defense last season. New Orleans was 8-2 when Lewis and Greer started together.

Greer then sustained what turned out to be a career-ending compound knee injury in Week 11 against the 49ers. The Saints are 6-10, including the postseason, since Greer left the starting lineup.

The second cornerback spot has since become a New Orleans-sized pothole..."

New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder | NOLA.com

jeanpierre · 10-23-2014, 07:04 AM

Love Holder's Analogy/Use of reference to New Orleans Streets...

Touchdown Avenue...

Gravel-fill Solutions...

This is one of his better articles...

Mr.Riaton · 10-23-2014, 07:14 AM

I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here.

lee909 · 10-23-2014, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here.

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

Mr.Riaton · 10-23-2014, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

Totally agree with you...hind sight is always 20/20. I have no problem with getting Byrd- I think he's a great player. I just remember feeling like we needed to address the corner position a little more than the safety position. But then again, I expected the pass rush to be just as good or even better than last year.

Mardigras9 · 10-23-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on

Amen, like x10, exactly.

lee909 · 10-23-2014, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here.

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far.

White has been bad.
Robinson has been awful.
Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time.

Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far.

White has been bad.
Robinson has been awful.
Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time.

Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

We did give SJB a shot in the lions game

He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We did give SJB a shot in the lions game

He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD.

Not really a fair assessment. SJB was in on one play and there was some obvious confusion to who should cover him. It may have been Bush's job to fall back into the zone. This isn't like Dixon and White/Robinson getting beat man on man every play.

10-23-2014, 07:02 AM	#1
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Love Holder's Analogy/Use of reference to New Orleans Streets... Touchdown Avenue... Gravel-fill Solutions... This is one of his better articles... hagan714 likes this.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,287	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here. jeanpierre, dizzle88 and MarchingOn like this.

10-23-2014, 08:21 AM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here. With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV. SaintFanInATLHELL and Mr.Riaton like this.

10-23-2014, 10:47 AM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,287	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV. Totally agree with you...hind sight is always 20/20. I have no problem with getting Byrd- I think he's a great player. I just remember feeling like we needed to address the corner position a little more than the safety position. But then again, I expected the pass rush to be just as good or even better than last year. MarchingOn likes this.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Amen, like x10, exactly.

10-23-2014, 08:29 AM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I would've liked to have landed Talib this off season...I wanted him here. With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

10-23-2014, 11:25 AM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV. While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far. White has been bad. Robinson has been awful. Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time. Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

10-23-2014, 11:27 AM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far. White has been bad. Robinson has been awful. Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time. Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college. We did give SJB a shot in the lions game He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD. FinSaint likes this.

10-23-2014, 02:11 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by dizzle88 We did give SJB a shot in the lions game He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD. Not really a fair assessment. SJB was in on one play and there was some obvious confusion to who should cover him. It may have been Bush's job to fall back into the zone. This isn't like Dixon and White/Robinson getting beat man on man every play.

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