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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by dizzle88 We need to seriously address CB, LB and O line in the draft/free agency Maybe even another pass rusher I'm starting to agree with Jean Pierre, it's the coaches....

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Old 10-24-2014, 09:25 AM   #1
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Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

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We need to seriously address CB, LB and O line in the draft/free agency

Maybe even another pass rusher
I'm starting to agree with Jean Pierre, it's the coaches.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:28 AM   #2
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Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
We need to seriously address CB, LB and O line in the draft/free agency

Maybe even another pass rusher
+1. I would upgrade from the word 'maybe' to 'likely'. Our pass rush has been close to non existent this season. Not sure what is up with Cam this year. As JP eluded to earlier, we should have never drafted a guy who was so called RAW in the 2nd round if he does not get substantial playing time.
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He's not a zone guy ... Let him run man with the second receiver where his frame and length give him advantages... The QB may just hold on one second longer , that changes the game. It's either a sack or a blatant holding penalty because galette is relentless.

Can't look at the glass half empty with him. Yes he could fail and so on , but he could also succeed and be the missing link between us and that 4th ranked defense we yearn for. Things could go really well for him. He shuts down a jordy Nelson a kelvin Benjamin , we come back to life in the division , morale gets high. It could give him the confidence to become the next shutdown guy. Always two sides to a coin.


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I'm not so sure we give him more playing time just yet but the "Raw" conversation was used with Terron Armstead and he's arguably our best O lineman now
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Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

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I'm not so sure we give him more playing time just yet but the "Raw" conversation was used with Terron Armstead and he's arguably our best O lineman now
You just blew that one out of the water. Armstead got thrown to the wolves in the middle of last year and has not just been adequate, but has excelled in what he's doing in the NFL. Got ate up by Hardy in his first game, but bounced back better than most of us expected. Fortitude. Maybe SJB don't have that.

Armstead & SJB are not the same person, play opposite sides of the ball, play completely different positions...got it. But it's hard to hide behind the "raw" tag when you got a "raw" Armstead starting at LT mid-way through his rookie year last year and has played pretty well since.

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You just blew that one out of the water. Armstead got thrown to the wolves in the middle of last year and has not just been adequate, but has excelled in what he's doing in the NFL. Got ate up by Hardy in his first game, but bounced back better than most of us expected. Fortitude. Maybe SJB don't have that.

Armstead & SJB are not the same person, play opposite sides of the ball, play completely different positions...got it. But it's hard to hide behind the "raw" tag when you got a "raw" Armstead starting at LT mid-way through his rookie year last year and has played pretty well since.
It all depends on how far they've developed. Armstead may have been light years ahead of where SJB is now. The only ones that know that are the coaches.

Its not apples to apples in any way shape or form.

SJB will play when the coaches think he'll outperform White, Robinson or Dixon. It may be this week, it may be week 12, it may be next year. None of us really know. Armstead didn't start over Brown until week 15 last year.
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It all depends on how far they've developed. Armstead may have been light years ahead of where SJB is now. The only ones that know that are the coaches.

Its not apples to apples in any way shape or form.

SJB will play when the coaches think he'll outperform White, Robinson or Dixon. It may be this week, it may be week 12, it may be next year. None of us really know. Armstead didn't start over Brown until week 15 last year.
Yeah, seems like it was earlier for Armstead since he played 3 more games after that 1st start for him to include those 2 playoff starts. I was thinking Terron came in earlier in the season, so my bad.

Maybe SJB can get in there and contribute at the very least on dime by Week 14 on when we face off against the last 4 teams of the year who all own some big ol' WRs.
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Maybe SJB can get in there and contribute at the very least on dime by Week 14 on when we face off against the last 4 teams of the year who all own some big ol' WRs.
Hasn't he been in the Dime for the last couple of weeks? I thought he was the Dime for some of the Lions game at least..
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Don't Draft 'Em, If You're Not Going To Play Them...

But If You've Got 'Em, Play 'Em Or Replace Your Talent Evaluation Decision Makers...
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Don't Draft 'Em, If You're Not Going To Play Them...

But If You've Got 'Em, Play 'Em Or Replace Your Talent Evaluation Decision Makers...

Don't stick a project on the outside either for the love of god. in the slot on slower bigger WR and TE to free up safety help over the top but outside ? we all knew SJB was not and is not ready for that.
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