Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

Mr.Riaton · 10-23-2014, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

Totally agree with you...hind sight is always 20/20. I have no problem with getting Byrd- I think he's a great player. I just remember feeling like we needed to address the corner position a little more than the safety position. But then again, I expected the pass rush to be just as good or even better than last year.

Mardigras9 · 10-23-2014, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on

Amen, like x10, exactly.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on
Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV.

While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far.

White has been bad.
Robinson has been awful.
Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time.

Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far.

White has been bad.
Robinson has been awful.
Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time.

Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

We did give SJB a shot in the lions game

He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD.

Barry from MS · 10-23-2014, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time.

Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs.

The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB.

Now that is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB?

I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame.

billyt81 · 10-23-2014, 01:55 PM

I'm not sure SJB has more physical talent than Dixon. I bet Dixon is faster. SJB is tall, but there's a reason there are VERY few 6"3 corners in the NFL. Most with that height could never be quick enough, which I suspect SJB is not either.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We did give SJB a shot in the lions game

He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD.

Not really a fair assessment. SJB was in on one play and there was some obvious confusion to who should cover him. It may have been Bush's job to fall back into the zone. This isn't like Dixon and White/Robinson getting beat man on man every play.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs.

The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB.

Now that is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB?

I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame.

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire.

10-23-2014, 11:47 AM	#11
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV. Totally agree with you...hind sight is always 20/20. I have no problem with getting Byrd- I think he's a great player. I just remember feeling like we needed to address the corner position a little more than the safety position. But then again, I expected the pass rush to be just as good or even better than last year. MarchingOn likes this.

10-23-2014, 11:55 AM	#12
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Amen, like x10, exactly.

10-23-2014, 12:25 PM	#13
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by lee909 With hindsight he may have proved a better option than Byrd,having said that you could have Earl Thomas,Richard Sherman and Revis in the backfield and with no pass rush you going to get passed on Not writing him off as he needs time to develop a understanding with KV. While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far. White has been bad. Robinson has been awful. Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time. Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college.

10-23-2014, 12:27 PM	#14
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold While true we do need a better pass rush, White has been easy to pick on for QBs. When QBs throw at white they are near perfect in their passer ratings. According to PFF on a pass coverage basis White ranks among the worst and it's no better with Robinson or Dixon so far. White has been bad. Robinson has been awful. Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time. Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college. We did give SJB a shot in the lions game He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD. FinSaint likes this.

10-23-2014, 12:57 PM	#15
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold Dixon has not looked good, and looks worse with more playing time. Why haven't we turned to SJB and given him a shot? Keep the calls simple for him (press man) and let him do what he did in college. What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs. The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB. Now *that* is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB? I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame. MarchingOn likes this.
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10-23-2014, 01:55 PM	#16
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start I'm not sure SJB has more physical talent than Dixon. I bet Dixon is faster. SJB is tall, but there's a reason there are VERY few 6"3 corners in the NFL. Most with that height could never be quick enough, which I suspect SJB is not either.

10-23-2014, 03:11 PM	#17
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by dizzle88 We did give SJB a shot in the lions game He was in for one play and his guy scored the winning TD. Not really a fair assessment. SJB was in on one play and there was some obvious confusion to who should cover him. It may have been Bush's job to fall back into the zone. This isn't like Dixon and White/Robinson getting beat man on man every play.

10-23-2014, 03:15 PM	#18
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Barry from MS What is really scary is that this UDFA Dixon has seen waaaay more playing time than SJB. Sure Dixon has failed out there; he's a dang rookie DB...he's expected to fail against veteran NFL receivers and veteran NFL QBs. The biggest failure is SJB...he's not even out on the freakin' field on nickle or dime. Dixon is apparently beating him out in practice, so to me that shows Dixon has better technique and a better grasp of the defense than SJB. Now *that* is scary. SJB has so much more physical talent than Dixon, yet Dixon sees the field way, way more often. What does that say about SJB? I'm guessing the players who have better practices throughout the week are the ones seeing the playing field. So far...Dixon > SJB. For shame. Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? Barry from MS likes this.

10-23-2014, 03:18 PM	#19
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw.

10-23-2014, 03:51 PM	#20
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by dizzle88 I don't think they wanted to let a rookie fail, P-rob has a hamstring issue so the depth at CB is thin, the coaching staff are most likely putting Dixon on the field because they feel he is more ready than SJB, seen as SJB only played the position for 2 years and still is very raw. I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire. dizzle88 likes this.

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