Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire.

agreed

Danno · 10-23-2014, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?.

The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race.

Other than that I don't see a downside.

Barry from MS · 10-23-2014, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy?

I agree that SJB should be "The Guy" in there getting the experience and getting used to the speed of the NFL game. Like someone already stated, beat the rawness out of him with NFL snaps. Is the coaching staff scared to death with SJB being thrown to the fire and killing his confidence? If that's the case, his confidence should already be shot watching Dixon steal his snaps from the sidelines.

And we'll have to agree to disagree on who is better between Dixon & SJB. I'm basing my argument for Dixon being the better rookie CB only on which one of them is getting more regular season NFL snaps. I mean, seriously, shouldn't the coaches be playing the best personnel at each position to win NFL football games?

SJB is quickly becoming a bigger enigma than Erik "Bigfoot" Lorig on this roster...in my opinion, anyways.

Utah_Saint · 10-23-2014, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?

Get burnt for the game winning touchdown in the final two minutes of the game?

(just being a smart @55)

blackangold · 10-23-2014, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race.

Other than that I don't see a downside.

If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway.

The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more.

As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol

Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

Danno · 10-23-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway.

The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more.

As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol

Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can.

The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet.

I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

dizzle88 · 10-23-2014, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can.

The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet.

I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

It was me that mentioned it, It's unclear who was at fault for the TD

SJB was lined up over the receiver and then stood there whilst he ran along the back line of the endzone, could have been the safeties job to cover that area as he came crashing down on the drag route along the goal line of the endzone

Once again, confusion in the secondary
It looked like SJB was expecting to cover the flats, when the WR scored he kinda just put his arms out like "who the hell was supposed to be there?"

jeanpierre · 10-23-2014, 06:53 PM

You drafted him in the second round, then play him...now...

Other than maybe quarterback, you play those early round picks immediately, that's why you take them there...

This is my problem with the Cooks pick, Why the **** is he not featured more and why are we not getting him the ball more...

We made a sacrifice of a third round premium pick to move up...

Use the Kid!!!

Danno · 10-23-2014, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You drafted him in the second round, then play him...now...

Other than maybe quarterback, you play those early round picks immediately, that's why you take them there...

This is my problem with the Cooks pick, Why the **** is he not featured more and why are we not getting him the ball more...

We made a sacrifice of a third round premium pick to move up...

Use the Kid!!!

So even though he isn't ready and could cost us wins, the coaches should play him anyway because he's a 2nd round pick?

I'm not buying that at all.

saintsfan1976 · 10-23-2014, 07:13 PM

SJB doesn't need to see the field until we've A) locked a playoff berth or B) lost a playoff berth.

I'm also ok with him in dime coverage when we have a three TD lead with 2 minutes remaining.

10-23-2014, 04:02 PM	#21
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Do you know how things become un-raw? They get thrown into the fire. agreed Attached Thumbnails

10-23-2014, 05:40 PM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen?. The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race. Other than that I don't see a downside. SaintFanInATLHELL, saintsfan1976, Barry from MS and 2 others like this.

10-23-2014, 05:43 PM	#23
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold Wouldn't agree that Dixon is better than SJB. The coaching staff might agree with your assessment here but no one knows what goes on in practice. Personally I liked Dixon in the pre-season but he has been roughed up this year by WRs. If your going to let a rookie fail and get experience then why wouldn't you let SJB be the guy? I agree that SJB should be "The Guy" in there getting the experience and getting used to the speed of the NFL game. Like someone already stated, beat the rawness out of him with NFL snaps. Is the coaching staff scared to death with SJB being thrown to the fire and killing his confidence? If that's the case, his confidence should already be shot watching Dixon steal his snaps from the sidelines. And we'll have to agree to disagree on who is better between Dixon & SJB. I'm basing my argument for Dixon being the better rookie CB only on which one of them is getting more regular season NFL snaps. I mean, seriously, shouldn't the coaches be playing the best personnel at each position to win NFL football games? SJB is quickly becoming a bigger enigma than Erik "Bigfoot" Lorig on this roster...in my opinion, anyways.
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10-23-2014, 06:22 PM	#24
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold I agree, very raw indeed, but what's the worst that could happen? Get burnt for the game winning touchdown in the final two minutes of the game? (just being a smart @55)

10-23-2014, 06:35 PM	#25
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Danno The worst that can happen is he sucks worse than White and Robinson, his confidence gets shot to **** and he never recovers and it ruins his career, becomes a 2nd round bust, and we lose even more games taking us out of the playoff race. Other than that I don't see a downside. If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway. The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more. As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon.

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10-23-2014, 06:42 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by blackangold If he gets burnt and loses confidence, thus never recovering he'll never make it anyway. The most confident player on the D needs to be the CB, but they all get beat, the good ones learn and come back for more. As far as him being bad and hurting the team... lol Can't get any worse with Robinson/White/Dixon. You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can. The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet. I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now.

10-23-2014, 06:49 PM	#27
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: New Orleans Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start: Larry Holder Originally Posted by Danno You keep saying it couldn't get worse, but it most certainly can. The coaches jobs are on the line, they will play the players they feel gives them the best chance to win. I'm sure SJB will start or get playing time when the coaches feel he's ready. Obviously he's not better than White, Robinson or Dixon yet. I didn't verify on replay but someone stated SJB was the one who blew the play on the Lions final TD. Probably incorrect but thats what was said. I just don't have the stomach to re-watch it again right now. It was me that mentioned it, It's unclear who was at fault for the TD SJB was lined up over the receiver and then stood there whilst he ran along the back line of the endzone, could have been the safeties job to cover that area as he came crashing down on the drag route along the goal line of the endzone Once again, confusion in the secondary It looked like SJB was expecting to cover the flats, when the WR scored he kinda just put his arms out like "who the hell was supposed to be there?"

10-23-2014, 06:53 PM	#28
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start You drafted him in the second round, then play him...now... Other than maybe quarterback, you play those early round picks immediately, that's why you take them there... This is my problem with the Cooks pick, Why the **** is he not featured more and why are we not getting him the ball more... We made a sacrifice of a third round premium pick to move up... Use the Kid!!!

10-23-2014, 06:56 PM	#29
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start Originally Posted by jeanpierre You drafted him in the second round, then play him...now... Other than maybe quarterback, you play those early round picks immediately, that's why you take them there... This is my problem with the Cooks pick, Why the **** is he not featured more and why are we not getting him the ball more... We made a sacrifice of a third round premium pick to move up... Use the Kid!!! So even though he isn't ready and could cost us wins, the coaches should play him anyway because he's a 2nd round pick? I'm not buying that at all.

10-23-2014, 07:13 PM	#30
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' search for second starting cornerback failed from the start SJB doesn't need to see the field until we've A) locked a playoff berth or B) lost a playoff berth. I'm also ok with him in dime coverage when we have a three TD lead with 2 minutes remaining.

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