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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Disagree with the assertion that our running backs are all different. They're not that different, they've just been pigeonholed into their roles. We've seen PT run big gainers up the middle how many times over his career. Robinson and Ingram ...

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Old 10-30-2014, 10:55 PM   #1
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Disagree with the assertion that our running backs are all different. They're not that different, they've just been pigeonholed into their roles. We've seen PT run big gainers up the middle how many times over his career. Robinson and Ingram look a lot different physically but basically have the same kind of game.

The RBBC works. It gives you depth and extends careers. Our problem is SP has too many tendencies which have revealed themselves over a number of years. Hopefully this situation right now will make Payton realize how much he has misused all of these RB's.
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Disagree with the assertion that our running backs are all different. They're not that different, they've just been pigeonholed into their roles. We've seen PT run big gainers up the middle how many times over his career. Robinson and Ingram look a lot different physically but basically have the same kind of game.

The RBBC works. It gives you depth and extends careers. Our problem is SP has too many tendencies which have revealed themselves over a number of years. Hopefully this situation right now will make Payton realize how much he has misused all of these RB's.
Name a team that is successful with the RBBC excluding us.

RBs need to get a feel for the game. Having 2 RBs is good to keep both fresh but we use 4 and they all do different things. PT is the only one that is actually used in every facet of the game. Thats not to say these guys can't do it all, but if your only using them for certain things then why does it matter.
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Name a team that is successful with the RBBC excluding us.
Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc.

And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days.

We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.
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Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc.

And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days.

We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.
So the only current examples are ranked in the bottom of the league...
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Carolina ..........If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.
My point, which really wasn't clear, was that it's not how many RBs we have or the number of touches they each get. I was that SP seemed to have player packages for situations and specific plays and play calling was getting predictable. Yes, if Brees has plenty of time or the O line blows the D off the ball, then it doesn't matter, but the job gets easier if the D is confused.

With KR and PT injured SP was forced to use Ingram in situations and play calls where he typically wouldn't. This makes our offense less predicable and much more dangerous.
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