Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season

blackangold · 11-10-2014, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

Brees doesn't consistently make mistakes, the fact that people are blaming him is comical...this man passed for 5,000 yards with a mediocre receiving corps and gets no respect....Corey White comes out publicly and says he'd rather be a nickleback instead of a starting corner....Vaccaro only had 6 interceptions his whole college career so we knew that wasn't happening in the pros....but we blame Brees????

Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine.

Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year.

I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat.

ikecomp · 11-10-2014, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine.

Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year.

I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat.

That's crazy. I actually would take brees over all those guys. The only thing I would swap with those guys is their TD/INT ratio. That's really the only difference this year. Drew needs to cut down on the turnovers.

K Major · 11-10-2014, 01:11 PM

Ahmad Brooks = Saints drive killer.

Credit 49ers for finding a way to win... good teams do this, even with backups (Willis/Aldon Smith/Bavarro ALL OUT) etc.

3 TURNOVERS at this level = L

Barry from MS · 11-10-2014, 01:17 PM

No one player by themselves can win/lose a ball game over 60-75 minutes of game time. In the spirit of this thread, this is the most I've seen Drew turn the ball over since he got here. WR's, RB's & TE's share some blame? Sure. O-Line share some blame? Sure. Play-calling share some blame? Sure.

Kinda knew what kind of day we were all in for with the 1st two offensive possessions...

1st possession: 1 completion/3 attempts for 2 yards with 1 INT
2nd possession: 0 completions/1 attempt for 0 yards (3-and-out)

He rebounded nicely with 3 TDs, but his 2 INTs and his lost fumble helped kill that "W" for us.

ikecomp · 11-10-2014, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

me personally agree with the notiion we win as a team and we lose as a team. i just hate it when some players play bad, we're all over them. they need to be traded, they need to be cut, they dont deserve their paycheck etc etc. its just strikes me when it comes to drew f'n brees when he f's up, we got all these excuses, it was the drop passes, its the ol, etc etc. its like we dont want to say he's the reason. now is he the reason all the time heck no, but yesterday i'm giving drew brees all the blame for that loss. by george these elite qb's get all the credit when we win but rarely take any of the blame when we lose.

I actually agree with most of your points. I'm the first to say I've been guilty of that in the past but as I've watched this season I've noticed brees won't be the sole reason we win or the sole reason we lose regardless of the size of his paycheck. Plus, unlike some qb's he's actually come out in the media and taken all the responsibility for a couple of losses even though it wasn't all him. He even said he agreed with the crowd booing him for throwing the pick before halftime. How many other qb's would've lashed out at the fans for booing.

I'm just saying, we should stop thinking brees or any player is the reason we won or the reason we lost. If we try to get rid of players that "cost us the game" every week we won't have any players left.

Barry from MS · 11-10-2014, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

...none of this win as a team, lose as a team crap was being said. all i saw "some posters" say is oh robinson suck, vacarro cant cover, galette and jordan cant get to the qb, which all may have been true at that time however where's the win as a team lose as a team theory. now when drew messes up, we just cant blame him and my question is why is that!..

Been saying win/lose as a team since little league. It's easy to assess immediate blame saying "The refs jobbed us of a win!" or "Corey White screwed us out of a win" or "The freakin' kicker missed which is why we lost".

It takes little to no effort of thought to say and assess such absolutes.

ikecomp · 11-10-2014, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

i agree, i just get upset that at week 3 or week 4 it was all about how bad our defense look. none of this win as a team, lose as a team crap was being said. all i saw "some posters" say is oh robinson suck, vacarro cant cover, galette and jordan cant get to the qb, which all may have been true at that time however where's the win as a team lose as a team theory. now when drew messes up, we just cant blame him and my question is why is that! vacarro didnt throw 2 ints' and fumble our chances of winning away, robinson didnt over throw a wide open rcvr for a td causing us to settle for a fg. so why cant we give drew the blame?

Agree with you totally. Drew deserves "some" blame as well as the other 52 players on the roster. I can't speak for everyone else but I personally was blaming other players early in the season because to my eyes we shouldn't be as bad as we looked on the field so it was easier to say that this one guy sucks or those 2 guys suck rather than this team as whole isn't good. Every fan wants to believe that if they just change a couple of players at various positions that their team will be better but it's just not that easy

At any rate, time to cheer for March sanchez and the eagles tonight (never thought I'd say that)

halloween 65 · 11-10-2014, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine.

Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year.

I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat.

Not me but I would for Luck, much younger and understands the game at his age would give us 10 more years easy!!

QBREES9 · 11-10-2014, 06:05 PM

I'm not worried about Drew!

Foot Stomper · 11-10-2014, 07:28 PM

Good Drew can turn it around. Bad Drew will kill us. We tend to get equal doses of each. It wouldn't hurt my feelings abit to sit him and go with Ryan. Its all about winning not what you have done.

11-10-2014, 12:34 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by DrewDat Brees doesn't consistently make mistakes, the fact that people are blaming him is comical...this man passed for 5,000 yards with a mediocre receiving corps and gets no respect....Corey White comes out publicly and says he'd rather be a nickleback instead of a starting corner....Vaccaro only had 6 interceptions his whole college career so we knew that wasn't happening in the pros....but we blame Brees???? Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine. Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year. I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat. MarchingOn likes this.

11-10-2014, 12:56 PM	#12
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by blackangold Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine. Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year. I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat. That's crazy. I actually would take brees over all those guys. The only thing I would swap with those guys is their TD/INT ratio. That's really the only difference this year. Drew needs to cut down on the turnovers.
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11-10-2014, 01:11 PM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Ahmad Brooks = Saints drive killer. Credit 49ers for finding a way to win... good teams do this, even with backups (Willis/Aldon Smith/Bavarro ALL OUT) etc. 3 TURNOVERS at this level = L

11-10-2014, 01:17 PM	#14
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season No one player by themselves can win/lose a ball game over 60-75 minutes of game time. In the spirit of this thread, this is the most I've seen Drew turn the ball over since he got here. WR's, RB's & TE's share some blame? Sure. O-Line share some blame? Sure. Play-calling share some blame? Sure. Kinda knew what kind of day we were all in for with the 1st two offensive possessions... 1st possession: 1 completion/3 attempts for 2 yards with 1 INT 2nd possession: 0 completions/1 attempt for 0 yards (3-and-out) He rebounded nicely with 3 TDs, but his 2 INTs and his lost fumble helped kill that "W" for us. saintsfan1976, dizzle88 and MarchingOn like this.
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11-10-2014, 02:37 PM	#15
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by teddybarexxx me personally agree with the notiion we win as a team and we lose as a team. i just hate it when some players play bad, we're all over them. they need to be traded, they need to be cut, they dont deserve their paycheck etc etc. its just strikes me when it comes to drew f'n brees when he f's up, we got all these excuses, it was the drop passes, its the ol, etc etc. its like we dont want to say he's the reason. now is he the reason all the time heck no, but yesterday i'm giving drew brees all the blame for that loss. by george these elite qb's get all the credit when we win but rarely take any of the blame when we lose. I actually agree with most of your points. I'm the first to say I've been guilty of that in the past but as I've watched this season I've noticed brees won't be the sole reason we win or the sole reason we lose regardless of the size of his paycheck. Plus, unlike some qb's he's actually come out in the media and taken all the responsibility for a couple of losses even though it wasn't all him. He even said he agreed with the crowd booing him for throwing the pick before halftime. How many other qb's would've lashed out at the fans for booing. I'm just saying, we should stop thinking brees or any player is the reason we won or the reason we lost. If we try to get rid of players that "cost us the game" every week we won't have any players left.
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11-10-2014, 02:58 PM	#16
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by teddybarexxx ...none of this win as a team, lose as a team crap was being said. all i saw "some posters" say is oh robinson suck, vacarro cant cover, galette and jordan cant get to the qb, which all may have been true at that time however where's the win as a team lose as a team theory. now when drew messes up, we just cant blame him and my question is why is that!.. Been saying win/lose as a team since little league. It's easy to assess immediate blame saying "The refs jobbed us of a win!" or "Corey White screwed us out of a win" or "The freakin' kicker missed which is why we lost". It takes little to no effort of thought to say and assess such absolutes. ikecomp likes this.

11-10-2014, 03:14 PM	#17
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by teddybarexxx i agree, i just get upset that at week 3 or week 4 it was all about how bad our defense look. none of this win as a team, lose as a team crap was being said. all i saw "some posters" say is oh robinson suck, vacarro cant cover, galette and jordan cant get to the qb, which all may have been true at that time however where's the win as a team lose as a team theory. now when drew messes up, we just cant blame him and my question is why is that! vacarro didnt throw 2 ints' and fumble our chances of winning away, robinson didnt over throw a wide open rcvr for a td causing us to settle for a fg. so why cant we give drew the blame? Agree with you totally. Drew deserves "some" blame as well as the other 52 players on the roster. I can't speak for everyone else but I personally was blaming other players early in the season because to my eyes we shouldn't be as bad as we looked on the field so it was easier to say that this one guy sucks or those 2 guys suck rather than this team as whole isn't good. Every fan wants to believe that if they just change a couple of players at various positions that their team will be better but it's just not that easy At any rate, time to cheer for March sanchez and the eagles tonight (never thought I'd say that)
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11-10-2014, 03:35 PM	#18
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Originally Posted by blackangold Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine. Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year. I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat. Not me but I would for Luck, much younger and understands the game at his age would give us 10 more years easy!!

11-10-2014, 06:05 PM	#19
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season I'm not worried about Drew!

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Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season Good Drew can turn it around. Bad Drew will kill us. We tend to get equal doses of each. It wouldn't hurt my feelings abit to sit him and go with Ryan. Its all about winning not what you have done.

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