2015 draft??

mighty12 · 12-28-2014, 12:47 PM

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^That is who I want in the first round. High motor, no quit, versatile. This is what our defense needs.

mighty12 · 12-28-2014, 12:51 PM

BOOM!

jeanpierre · 12-29-2014, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I think the the #1 goal for the saints is to trade out unless something falls into their lap. after a year like this the saints have to realize they need to add more than the usual few pieces here and there. be aggressive in round two or three for the love of god. not all your answers are found in round 1

There's no question we need to fix several areas - all along the offensive line and the front seven on defense should be replaceable with the exception of Armstead, maybe a healthy Jenkins...

But we've got to take those high picks when they come because those are your difference makers to championships...

hagan714 · 12-29-2014, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There's no question we need to fix several areas - all along the offensive line and the front seven on defense should be replaceable with the exception of Armstead, maybe a healthy Jenkins...

But we've got to take those high picks when they come because those are your difference makers to championships...

i know just think the state of this team is worse than i have seen in years. besides the saints never add picks in the top half of the draft. we always subtract

jeanpierre · 12-29-2014, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i know just think the state of this team is worse than i have seen in years. besides the saints never add picks in the top half of the draft. we always subtract

and that's caught up to us...

WillSaints81 · 12-29-2014, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by mighty12

http://youtu.be/0di4jhpjcTQ

^That is who I want in the first round. High motor, no quit, versatile. This is what our defense needs.

What was his plays against Oregon and USC?

blackangold · 12-29-2014, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by mighty12

http://youtu.be/0di4jhpjcTQ

^That is who I want in the first round. High motor, no quit, versatile. This is what our defense needs.

NO NO and NO...

He has bust written all over him. His play on defense is average at best. Most of his notable performances come from running through house sized holes as a RB and picking up fumbles.

WillSaints81 · 12-29-2014, 09:49 PM

Here's my scenario

Round 1
Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB
Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB
Plan C-La'el Collins, OT
Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB

Round 2
Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT
Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR
Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU)
Plan D-OLB available

Round 3
Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT

Round 4
Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT
Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR

If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks.

Sarik · 12-29-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Here's my scenario

Round 1
Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB
Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB
Plan C-La'el Collins, OT
Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB

Round 2
Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT
Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR
Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU)
Plan D-OLB available

Round 3
Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB
Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT

Round 4
Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT
Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR
Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR

If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks.

Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him.

Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up.

I would not be upset with either of these guys though

The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues.

Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way.

spkb25 · 12-29-2014, 10:35 PM

For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter

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12-29-2014, 09:28 AM	#133
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 I think the the #1 goal for the saints is to trade out unless something falls into their lap. after a year like this the saints have to realize they need to add more than the usual few pieces here and there. be aggressive in round two or three for the love of god. not all your answers are found in round 1 There's no question we need to fix several areas - all along the offensive line and the front seven on defense should be replaceable with the exception of Armstead, maybe a healthy Jenkins... But we've got to take those high picks when they come because those are your difference makers to championships... hagan714 likes this.

12-29-2014, 04:59 PM	#134
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre There's no question we need to fix several areas - all along the offensive line and the front seven on defense should be replaceable with the exception of Armstead, maybe a healthy Jenkins... But we've got to take those high picks when they come because those are your difference makers to championships... i know just think the state of this team is worse than i have seen in years. besides the saints never add picks in the top half of the draft. we always subtract jeanpierre likes this.

12-29-2014, 08:35 PM	#135
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 i know just think the state of this team is worse than i have seen in years. besides the saints never add picks in the top half of the draft. we always subtract and that's caught up to us...

12-29-2014, 09:34 PM	#136
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by mighty12 http://youtu.be/0di4jhpjcTQ ^That is who I want in the first round. High motor, no quit, versatile. This is what our defense needs. What was his plays against Oregon and USC?

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12-29-2014, 09:36 PM	#137
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by mighty12 http://youtu.be/0di4jhpjcTQ ^That is who I want in the first round. High motor, no quit, versatile. This is what our defense needs. NO NO and NO... He has bust written all over him. His play on defense is average at best. Most of his notable performances come from running through house sized holes as a RB and picking up fumbles.

12-29-2014, 09:49 PM	#138
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: 2015 draft?? Here's my scenario Round 1 Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB Plan C-La'el Collins, OT Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB Round 2 Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU) Plan D-OLB available Round 3 Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT Round 4 Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks. hagan714 likes this.

12-29-2014, 10:25 PM	#139
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Here's my scenario Round 1 Plan A-Shane Ray, OLB Plan B-Vic Beasley, OLB Plan C-La'el Collins, OT Plan D-Bernardrick MicKinnley, ILB Round 2 Plan A-Erreck Flowers, OT Plan B-Dorial Green-Beckham(if Flowers is gone), WR Plan C-OLB available(i forgot who I named from MSU) Plan D-OLB available Round 3 Plan A-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan B-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan C-Ragman or Frost, ILB Plan D-Corey Robinson, OT Round 4 Plan A-Devin Funchess, WR Plan B-Corey Robinson, OT Plan C-Devin Funchess, WR Plan D-Devin Funchess, WR If we have to draft a RB in case Ingram leaves, hopefully Mike Davis is available in the fourth. We need to start drafting some gamecocks. Listen, heres the thing. Im all for Shane Ray & Vic Beasley as football players. But i cant see us finding a fit for Shane Ray on this team CURRENTLY. What will he play? OLB? junior has that role & we're paying him a hell of alot of money to rush the passer. Thats what shane ray does, he's not yet ready to take on much more than that as he still has to develop & learn to defend the run better, Forget about pass coverage. DE? Undersized for that position(6'3, 240)...not the type of guy the saints or teams usually look at for a 3-4 DE(Cam 6'4 287, Akiem 6'5,324) ..same issue ppl tried to label on michael sam last year but he had about 20 more pounds on him at around 261. Shane ray is a different monster & ALOT more talented though. Replace Haralson? Sure i can see that but then that leaves us with a bigger issue in pass coverage than this year, as haralson was our best passing down option imo. So its just hard to find a spot for him. Vic Beasley has got to put on some weight!(6'2, 235 at best) But i do like him. As i did last year. His only option is an OLB, which still leaves us in the same predicament as shane ray. & i dont exactly believe in Joe Vitt to coach either of them up. I would not be upset with either of these guys though The Saints WILL NOT draft a guy like Dorial Green-Beckham. Even though he is a rare talent(6'6 & can run like a deer.) id personally love to see what he can do, but we wont see that with this organization. They dont usually draft these kind of problems. Too many off the field issues. Last but not least, Devin Funchess will not fall past the 2nd round. Theres no way. hagan714 likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: 2015 draft?? For anyone that watched us this year we were defeated upfront all year long. Please get Drew the help he needs. Oline, fix the oline. that will do a lot more than our defense, which until we find a way to get pressure IDC who you stick in the back is't going to matter hagan714 likes this.

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