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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely... We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense... Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players... ...

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Old 03-15-2015, 10:31 AM   #1
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Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely...

We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense...

Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players...

I've seen one play since both were in a Saints uniform that made me geaux "WOW" and that was Cam Jordan on that bull rush play this season; otherwise very solid, dependable players...

Let's spend those early picks on players that are going to win us the line of scrimmage, get us the ball back...

Brandon Scherff is the only guy I'd take high and that's if Beasley is off the board and we can't trade back in the first to get another TRUE 6-2+ outside linebacker (not some one-dimension pass rusher) and pick up a second, third round pick in the process...

Scherff is gonna be a guard, right tackle at best, and I really hate spending that high a pick on an interior lineman; if he was gonna take the job from Terron Armstead, that'd be different...

Plenty of talent in the mid-to-late rounds for offensive line and where I'd take them if they're there...

OL Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6' 6", 306 lbs. (R3)

OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (R3)

OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (R3)

OL Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6' 5", 305 lbs (R4)

OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs. (R4)

OL Jeremiah Poutasi, 6' 5", 335 lbs. (R5)

OL John Miller, Louisville, 6' 2", 303 lbs (R5)

OL Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, 6' 4", 305 lbs (R5)

OL Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6' 4", 315 lbs (R6)

OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs (R6)

OL Jake Cotton, Nebraska, 6' 6", 305 lbs (R6)

Cole Manhart, Nebraska-Kearney, 6' 3", 305 lbs (R7)

If we could get say three of these guys with our mid to late picks, we will be in good shape...
Garcia I could definately see. There is a lot of talent on the O-line up for grabs in this years draft. I wouldn't be mad at all to get quality depth to starter potential for our O-line. Plug and play.
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:39 AM   #2
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So I looked up clips from the top 12 ranked receivers for the draft. And I like them in this order


1.We're not getting him but given the conference he has played in he is clearly the best of the bunch

Amari Cooper

2.In the head to head game with Amari he had the better game. However its one game and he plays in a rather defenseless conference but he should be good none the less.

Kevin White

3.This is the one I like I feel we can get. He is not projected to go in the first round and his two big games against the SEC West's two top recruiting and also powerhouse rivalries is eye opening

Sammie Coats
And this should say more about him

4.The receiver that is the third projected but I have him fourth. There were some things I didn't like here that I thought the other three were better. He does not have any great reels against the likes of the better ACC teams. He'll still be great but I think the top three will be even better.

DeVante Parker

5.Well I thought highly of this guy though I don't think he played at all in 2014 with Oklahoma. However, here's his game against Auburn. As the game grew on, he did not have the longevity but maybe this is where he would need coaching on. As someone said SP is not likely to draft him due to his character issues.

Dorial Green-Beckham

6.This guy has the makings to really good and maybe coming from a medium school he would want to play harder but that hasn't translated with former teammate Storm Johnson. And it is Florida also, a place where character is in question. But I liked what I saw. However, he did not do much against the biggest team on his schedule in the bowl game, NCSU.

Breshad Perriman

7.This is one we should definitely get. He has size for sure and is thought of as a tightend. I don't trust a lot of big ten play though. Eric Decker looked good for Minnesota but he is ultimately a number 2 receiver.

Devin Funchess

8.He's small, so injury risk is a concern until he gains more weight. But he's had some big games and one was against the SEC's best.

Devin Smith

These are behind the cutoff as there's too much to not like about them.

9.Tony Lippet

10.Rashad Greene

11.Nelson Agholor
He's good at this though
But this is something I needed to show

12.I thought this might be another one I liked but after seeing his clips, I just was not blown away and the conference is a concern. Furthermore he does not fit our team better than the one above.

Jaelen Strong

So with that said based on what we can get. I like Coats, Perriman, and Funchess if we cannot get the top 3.
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Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs

Estimated 40 4.55

STRENGTHS
Tall target with thin build. Has intriguing "slow-burn" speed for his height. Long-strider who eats up cushion and can blow by off corners and safeties who underestimate him. Sinks hips into his breaks and can break off route quickly for a tall receiver. Played outside and from slot. Uses stride to get separation. High school quarterback who is a dangerous runner after the catch. Has 14 touchdowns over last two seasons, including from 88, 61, 41 and 75.


WEAKNESSES
Upright off snap and into his routes and needs an extended runway to build up to top speed. Thin frame and gets redirected off the line. Play strength is below par. Lack of initial foot quickness and upright posture could be a problem against aggressive press-cover corners. Had issues with focus drops early in 2014 season after foot injury. Made more challenging catches early in career.

NFL COMPARISON Tommy Streeter

BOTTOM LINE Taylor is a productive, outside-the-numbers vertical threat with an ability to sting a defense after the catch. Needs work, but is a plus athlete with great height and an ability to separate. Must prove he can get off press coverage and play stronger in order to become viable NFL receiver.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs



OVERVIEW
2014: Played in 14 games. Recorded 49 catches for 635 yards and four touchdowns. 2013: Missed season with a knee injury. 2012: Played in 13 games and made 12 starts. He was a semifinalist for the Biletnikoff Award (given to college football's top receiver) and an All-Pac-12 second-team selection after posting 1,364 yards receiving (second in Pac-12). 2011: Played in 10 games and started one. 2010: Redshirted.



PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.62 and 4.57 seconds
Vertical jump: 36 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches
20-yard short shuttle: 4.03 seconds
Three-cone drill: 6.65 seconds


ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Big and physical. Plays to his size. Runs with attitude after the catch and can take weaker cornerbacks for a ride. Puts defenders on his hip and uses his body to shield them. Good chance lateral quickness improves as he continues to trust his recovery from injury. Dedicated weight-room worker. Possesses strong hands and catching the ball comes easily for him. Effective blocker who can help spring big runs. His 2012 film shows very effective play from the slot.

WEAKNESSES
Suffered ACL injury that knocked him out for all of 2013. Is noticeably slower since his injury. Still hasn't recovered to his pre-injury form. Personnel men question his vertical speed. Has to gear down to get into his breaks and is inconsistent at getting separation at the top of his route. Lacks suddenness and can be robotic as a route-runner.

NFL COMPARISON Austin Pettis

BOTTOM LINE Based on the tape, it's hard to imagine Hill will be able to run a time that will make scouts happy. However, he's a tough blocker and a reliable, big target who can block in the running game. Hill's medicals will be scrutinized, but if healthy, he could use his big frame to muscle smaller slot corners.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Introduction

When you're a division 3 player, making an NFL roster is tough, the odds are stacked against you. You don't get the exposure and with no exposure you may not get the invite to showcase your talent, it's a harsh reality. Even FBS talent that gets drafted isn't safe from the chop when NFL teams are forced to cut their rosters down to 53. However as a D3 player, just getting an invite to camp is an uphill struggle.

However for this D3 prospect, earning a camp invite isn't going to be very difficult at all, at least if NFL scouts are doing their job. Rumour has it that at least 20 teams have scouted Jake Kumerow this year. After all, a receiver who is 6'5, 208lb's and runs a 4.5 forty is someone you're going to want to take a look at. When you consider that the receiver in question boasted a stat line of 77 receptions, 1331 yards and 19 touchdowns, he's definitely someone your scouts should be aware of.

Jake is after all a football player by blood. His dad Eric was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1988. His uncle John Bosa was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1987 and his cousin Joey is currently an All-American defensive end for the college football champion Ohio State Buckeyes.

From redshirting at Illinois as a walk-on, Kumerow has consistently flashed Division 1 talent at Wisconsin-Whitewater as the Warhawks navigated the season without a single loss culminating in their 2nd consecutive D3 title win against Mount Union.

I've been lucky enough to have been given some tape on Kumerow and I was extremely impressed.

Measurables

Height: 6'5

Weight: 208lb's

Class: Senior

Projected 40: 4.5

Statistics

Year Receptions Yards Touchdowns
2014 66 1116 14
2013 77 1331 19
2012 15 201 3
Positives

Elite blend of size, strength and speed that will attract many teams.
Physical aspect to his game, plays physical after the catch.
Has excellent hands, catches away from his body and doesn't snatch at the ball.
Good awareness on patterns to sit down in zone coverage.
Excellent red-zone threat who knows how to use his body to box out.
Above average release from the line, gets off quickly and into stride.
Production, missed 4 games this year and still put up over 1,000 yards and 14 TD's.
Bulked up to over 200lb's, only just revealing true potential.

Negatives

Competition, there is no way to get around it, he was facing D3 competition.
Routes - rounds off a lot, doesn't get in and out very sharply.
Technique - He is taller, stronger, faster than D3, hasn't had to work on technique.
Needs to make the most of his height, sometimes waits for the ball to come to him.

Conclusion

I'm really pleased that Kumerow is getting a little attention from the scouting circles, because frankly he deserves it. He has a lot of talent and he's grown into his frame over the course of the last two years. He really wants this and that shows up on tape. He's big, he's fast and he's a fighter. You have to like a guy who has those traits and if he isn't worth a flyer later in the draft, I don't know who is. I think he'll get drafted without a shadow of a doubt, where he gets drafted will depend on how he showcases himself in the lead-up to the NFL draft. He was very much a big fish in a very small pond, however he was playing at an elite school in D3 competition in Wisconsin-Whitewater.

I would 100% take a serious look at this man, and for a team who's desperate to unearth that big, fast, talented receiver, we need to be at the front of the line, and there will be a line.

Draft Grade: 60

90-100 = Exceptional Talent

80-90 = Impact Player

70-80 = NFL Starter

60-70 = Solid NFL Potential

50-60 = Draftable - Lot of work needed

>50 = Undraftable - Long Shot To Stick

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Not sure we need much depth at Guard unless Kelemete or Lelito get the starting job. We 100% need some depth at tackle which is why if Collins or Scherff are there i think they are a must. Take them play them inside and if one of the tackles goes down you have a man that can start at tackle while slotting Lelito or Kelemete in at guard
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Not sure we need much depth at Guard unless Kelemete or Lelito get the starting job. We 100% need some depth at tackle which is why if Collins or Scherff are there i think they are a must. Take them play them inside and if one of the tackles goes down you have a man that can start at tackle while slotting Lelito or Kelemete in at guard
Garcia is more of a natural C but can play G. Not sure about Kelemete yet, Lelito either as G, but I do agree we need depth at T for sure. My wild card is Evans, does he get pushed around like a rag doll or he return to form.
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Just read this,pretty interesting

Brandt: Georgia Tech's Darren Waller could be 2015 draft steal

Gil Brandt
NFL Media senior analyst

There were 31 NFL teams in attendance for Georgia Tech's pro day Friday, including several wide receiver coaches. Seven players worked out indoors on Field Turf, including two players who were at the combine.

Most of the reps on hand were there to see Darren Waller. A wide receiver, Waller is a very interesting prospect not only because of his size (6-foot-6, 241 pounds), but because he runs so well. He was much faster than anyone thought he would be at the combine, where he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.46 seconds. He stood on all of his combine numbers, but he had a very good workout Friday, showing off very soft hands and catching the ball very well. This is a prospect you'll want to keep an eye on. Some NFL team just might get itself a steal.


DeAndre Smelter, who also was at the combine, has not been able to work out because of a torn ACL he suffered in November, but he measured in at 6-foot-2, 227 pounds. He has 11 1/8-inch hands and 33-inch arms. No date has been set yet for his workout.

One other player of note was Shaq Mason, who was not at the combine. Mason (6-foot-1 3/4, 304 pounds) ran the 40 in 4.97 and 5.00. He had a 32-inch vertical and a 9-foot-2 broad jump. He hda a 4.65 short shuttle and a 7.53 3-cone drill, and posted 25 bench-press reps. Mason was worked out as a center and looked solid. He's probably a late-round draft pick or a priority free agent.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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My most recent draft


13: BRANDON SCHERFF - OT - IOWA
-Scherff would come in and be our starting LG. Brees would have his middle of the line protection and we'll maul people in the running game

31: ERIC KENDRICKS - ILB - UCLA
-Very productive ILB at UCLA. Instinctive and fast, and good in coverage. Does he fit the 3-4 tho? Still, a definite upgrade

44: HAU'OLI KIKAHA - OLB - WASHINGTON
-all he's done over the last two seasons at Washington is record 142 tackles, 40.5TFL, 32 sacks, 5 PBU and 6 FF. We need someone to get after the QB? Here he is

75: BRESHAD PERRIMAN - WR - UCF
-tall WR with good production. Needs to clean up his route running, but he's a nice pick up in the 3rd rounds

78: IFO EKPRE-OLOMU - CB - OREGON
-was rated a first round draft pick prior to his injury. May not have ideal height (for today's NFL), but makes up for it in technique, hand-eye coordination and talent. Also good in run support

140: STEVEN NELSON - CB - OREGON STATE
-was surprised he was here in the 5th round. Taller CB who plays with a major chip on his shoulder, acting like he's the biggest guy on the field. Has 16 PBU and 8 INTs over the last two seasons. Brings added toughness to our DB core

146: XAVIER WILLIAMS - DT - NORTHERN IOWA
-high energy/motor guy, former wrestler who plays with low center of gravity and isn't moved around much. Developmental prospect but has the drive coaches love

171: TYRUS THOMPSON - OT - OKLAHOMA
-definitely need OT depth. Thompson available in the 6th seemed like a great value pick

205: JEAN SIFRIN - TE - MASSACHUSETTS
-Tall TE (6'7) who only played one year of D1 football, and is also older (27 years old). Former basketball player with great vertical and catching radius. Rarely goes down after initial hit (per scouting report). Our new TE version of Graham?
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My most recent draft

44: HAU'OLI KIKAHA - OLB - WASHINGTON
-all he's done over the last two seasons at Washington is record 142 tackles, 40.5TFL, 32 sacks, 5 PBU and 6 FF. We need someone to get after the QB? Here he is

75: BRESHAD PERRIMAN - WR - UCF
-tall WR with good production. Needs to clean up his route running, but he's a nice pick up in the 3rd rounds

78: IFO EKPRE-OLOMU - CB - OREGON
-was rated a first round draft pick prior to his injury. May not have ideal height (for today's NFL), but makes up for it in technique, hand-eye coordination and talent. Also good in run support
I don't know why if it's Shoup or where Perriman's average draft position is among the FanSpeak fans, but Perriman is gone by the end of the second round...

Perriman is there when I run the simulator, but I don't take him because I know he's not going to be there...

And there's something about the Washington linebacker that leads me to believe he's an N.F.L. (Not For Long) type player and why I want no part of him...

Want no part of a player who's name requires that much effort; look in my business and in my previous civic life, I was great with names, always seemed to say it right the first time...

But the Oregon CB looks like another Jason David and is gonna getting physically abused by NFL WRs...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...
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