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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; And if you want another Jimmy Graham type, I've got one mocked in the fifth round in Blake Bell... And with Falcon fans reading this, we'll probably have to move up to get him......

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Old 03-15-2015, 08:02 AM   #561
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And if you want another Jimmy Graham type, I've got one mocked in the fifth round in Blake Bell...

And with Falcon fans reading this, we'll probably have to move up to get him...
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And if you want another Jimmy Graham type, I've got one mocked in the fifth round in Blake Bell...

And with Falcon fans reading this, we'll probably have to move up to get him...
While i understand your point & its valid, there is no sure handed 6'4 WR talent late or mid round. That would only be the top 6 guys maybe. That kind of stuff is rare. & Blake Bell is intriguing, but there is a reason he can be had in the 6th round...he's a project. but we're trying to get the best of Drews last few years, which isnt the same Drew we had back in '09. Its evident he's lost velocity & some of his deep ball. I was watching the Superbowl game the other day & was in awe of the zip he had back then. Good stuff. Id be just fine with an elite WR pick at 13, but at the same time be overjoyed to land a Scherff, Collins, Beasley, Fowler, etc. its whatever with me though...
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Old 03-15-2015, 09:05 AM   #564
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Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely...

We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense...

Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players...

I've seen one play since both were in a Saints uniform that made me geaux "WOW" and that was Cam Jordan on that bull rush play this season; otherwise very solid, dependable players...

Let's spend those early picks on players that are going to win us the line of scrimmage, get us the ball back...

Brandon Scherff is the only guy I'd take high and that's if Beasley is off the board and we can't trade back in the first to get another TRUE 6-2+ outside linebacker (not some one-dimension pass rusher) and pick up a second, third round pick in the process...

Scherff is gonna be a guard, right tackle at best, and I really hate spending that high a pick on an interior lineman; if he was gonna take the job from Terron Armstead, that'd be different...

Plenty of talent in the mid-to-late rounds for offensive line and where I'd take them if they're there...

OL Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6' 6", 306 lbs. (R3)

OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (R3)

OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (R3)

OL Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6' 5", 305 lbs (R4)

OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs. (R4)

OL Jeremiah Poutasi, 6' 5", 335 lbs. (R5)

OL John Miller, Louisville, 6' 2", 303 lbs (R5)

OL Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, 6' 4", 305 lbs (R5)

OL Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6' 4", 315 lbs (R6)

OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs (R6)

OL Jake Cotton, Nebraska, 6' 6", 305 lbs (R6)

Cole Manhart, Nebraska-Kearney, 6' 3", 305 lbs (R7)

If we could get say three of these guys with our mid to late picks, we will be in good shape...
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While i understand your point & its valid, there is no sure handed 6'4 WR talent late or mid round. That would only be the top 6 guys maybe. That kind of stuff is rare.

Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs
Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs
Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs*
Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater, 6' 5", 208 lbs.

*Scouting reports, comments that his catch radius is that of someone 6' 6"
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Old 03-15-2015, 09:33 AM   #566
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs
Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs
Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs*
Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater, 6' 5", 208 lbs.

*Scouting reports, comments that his catch radius is that of someone 6' 6"
Just having a quick look at scouting reports for them players.
My worry with any of these is we could easily just end up with another player who ends up on the practice squad. You can get talent late as we have all seen but there is always a reason these players are ranked were they are. Get what you need locked up in FA and early in the draft then take chances late on.


Take Colston and Ben Watson away from our TE/WR group and including Cooks everyone off them combined has Receptions 103,Yards 1162,TD 10.

Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 4", 214 lbs

40 -4.58 SEC
bech-16 REPS
vert-33.5 INCH
broad-119.0 INCH
3 cone-7.11 SEC
20 shuttle -4.28 SEC
60 shuttle- 11.63 SEC

6'4" HEIGHT
32 1/2" ARM LENGTH
214LBS. WEIGHT
9 7/8" HANDS

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Good height and overall size. High points and uses his length. Good forward lean into routes and gets cornerbacks to open up before breaking routes off. Uses same route pace for verticals and stick routes. Long-armed hands-catcher who extends to snatch ball early and get upfield. Satisfactory speed and foot quickness for his size. Weak-armed quarterback forced him to learn to work back to the throw. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder.

WEAKNESSES
Overwhelmed smaller competition at cornerback. Level of competition will be questioned. Too reliant on length downfield and doesn't display consistent leaping ability. Allowed cornerbacks to challenge and deflect throws rather than going up over them. Ran only a few basic routes. Scouts showing some concern over toughness, noting willingness to run out of bounds rather than finishing runs after catch.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Jordan Taylor, Rice, 6' 4", 204 lbs

Estimated 40 4.55

STRENGTHS
Tall target with thin build. Has intriguing "slow-burn" speed for his height. Long-strider who eats up cushion and can blow by off corners and safeties who underestimate him. Sinks hips into his breaks and can break off route quickly for a tall receiver. Played outside and from slot. Uses stride to get separation. High school quarterback who is a dangerous runner after the catch. Has 14 touchdowns over last two seasons, including from 88, 61, 41 and 75.


WEAKNESSES
Upright off snap and into his routes and needs an extended runway to build up to top speed. Thin frame and gets redirected off the line. Play strength is below par. Lack of initial foot quickness and upright posture could be a problem against aggressive press-cover corners. Had issues with focus drops early in 2014 season after foot injury. Made more challenging catches early in career.

NFL COMPARISON Tommy Streeter

BOTTOM LINE Taylor is a productive, outside-the-numbers vertical threat with an ability to sting a defense after the catch. Needs work, but is a plus athlete with great height and an ability to separate. Must prove he can get off press coverage and play stronger in order to become viable NFL receiver.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Austin Hill, Arizona, 6' 2", 210 lbs



OVERVIEW
2014: Played in 14 games. Recorded 49 catches for 635 yards and four touchdowns. 2013: Missed season with a knee injury. 2012: Played in 13 games and made 12 starts. He was a semifinalist for the Biletnikoff Award (given to college football's top receiver) and an All-Pac-12 second-team selection after posting 1,364 yards receiving (second in Pac-12). 2011: Played in 10 games and started one. 2010: Redshirted.



PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.62 and 4.57 seconds
Vertical jump: 36 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches
20-yard short shuttle: 4.03 seconds
Three-cone drill: 6.65 seconds


ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Big and physical. Plays to his size. Runs with attitude after the catch and can take weaker cornerbacks for a ride. Puts defenders on his hip and uses his body to shield them. Good chance lateral quickness improves as he continues to trust his recovery from injury. Dedicated weight-room worker. Possesses strong hands and catching the ball comes easily for him. Effective blocker who can help spring big runs. His 2012 film shows very effective play from the slot.

WEAKNESSES
Suffered ACL injury that knocked him out for all of 2013. Is noticeably slower since his injury. Still hasn't recovered to his pre-injury form. Personnel men question his vertical speed. Has to gear down to get into his breaks and is inconsistent at getting separation at the top of his route. Lacks suddenness and can be robotic as a route-runner.

NFL COMPARISON Austin Pettis

BOTTOM LINE Based on the tape, it's hard to imagine Hill will be able to run a time that will make scouts happy. However, he's a tough blocker and a reliable, big target who can block in the running game. Hill's medicals will be scrutinized, but if healthy, he could use his big frame to muscle smaller slot corners.

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Introduction

When you're a division 3 player, making an NFL roster is tough, the odds are stacked against you. You don't get the exposure and with no exposure you may not get the invite to showcase your talent, it's a harsh reality. Even FBS talent that gets drafted isn't safe from the chop when NFL teams are forced to cut their rosters down to 53. However as a D3 player, just getting an invite to camp is an uphill struggle.

However for this D3 prospect, earning a camp invite isn't going to be very difficult at all, at least if NFL scouts are doing their job. Rumour has it that at least 20 teams have scouted Jake Kumerow this year. After all, a receiver who is 6'5, 208lb's and runs a 4.5 forty is someone you're going to want to take a look at. When you consider that the receiver in question boasted a stat line of 77 receptions, 1331 yards and 19 touchdowns, he's definitely someone your scouts should be aware of.

Jake is after all a football player by blood. His dad Eric was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1988. His uncle John Bosa was a first round selection of the Dolphins in 1987 and his cousin Joey is currently an All-American defensive end for the college football champion Ohio State Buckeyes.

From redshirting at Illinois as a walk-on, Kumerow has consistently flashed Division 1 talent at Wisconsin-Whitewater as the Warhawks navigated the season without a single loss culminating in their 2nd consecutive D3 title win against Mount Union.

I've been lucky enough to have been given some tape on Kumerow and I was extremely impressed.

Measurables

Height: 6'5

Weight: 208lb's

Class: Senior

Projected 40: 4.5

Statistics

Year Receptions Yards Touchdowns
2014 66 1116 14
2013 77 1331 19
2012 15 201 3
Positives

Elite blend of size, strength and speed that will attract many teams.
Physical aspect to his game, plays physical after the catch.
Has excellent hands, catches away from his body and doesn't snatch at the ball.
Good awareness on patterns to sit down in zone coverage.
Excellent red-zone threat who knows how to use his body to box out.
Above average release from the line, gets off quickly and into stride.
Production, missed 4 games this year and still put up over 1,000 yards and 14 TD's.
Bulked up to over 200lb's, only just revealing true potential.

Negatives

Competition, there is no way to get around it, he was facing D3 competition.
Routes - rounds off a lot, doesn't get in and out very sharply.
Technique - He is taller, stronger, faster than D3, hasn't had to work on technique.
Needs to make the most of his height, sometimes waits for the ball to come to him.

Conclusion

I'm really pleased that Kumerow is getting a little attention from the scouting circles, because frankly he deserves it. He has a lot of talent and he's grown into his frame over the course of the last two years. He really wants this and that shows up on tape. He's big, he's fast and he's a fighter. You have to like a guy who has those traits and if he isn't worth a flyer later in the draft, I don't know who is. I think he'll get drafted without a shadow of a doubt, where he gets drafted will depend on how he showcases himself in the lead-up to the NFL draft. He was very much a big fish in a very small pond, however he was playing at an elite school in D3 competition in Wisconsin-Whitewater.

I would 100% take a serious look at this man, and for a team who's desperate to unearth that big, fast, talented receiver, we need to be at the front of the line, and there will be a line.

Draft Grade: 60

90-100 = Exceptional Talent

80-90 = Impact Player

70-80 = NFL Starter

60-70 = Solid NFL Potential

50-60 = Draftable - Lot of work needed

>50 = Undraftable - Long Shot To Stick

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Jimmy Graham was a project, and was considered a HUGE reach...that worked out nicely...

We have no, none, nada, game changers on defense...

Our best defenders Keenan Lewis and Cam Jordan are really good, underrated players...

I've seen one play since both were in a Saints uniform that made me geaux "WOW" and that was Cam Jordan on that bull rush play this season; otherwise very solid, dependable players...

Let's spend those early picks on players that are going to win us the line of scrimmage, get us the ball back...

Brandon Scherff is the only guy I'd take high and that's if Beasley is off the board and we can't trade back in the first to get another TRUE 6-2+ outside linebacker (not some one-dimension pass rusher) and pick up a second, third round pick in the process...

Scherff is gonna be a guard, right tackle at best, and I really hate spending that high a pick on an interior lineman; if he was gonna take the job from Terron Armstead, that'd be different...

Plenty of talent in the mid-to-late rounds for offensive line and where I'd take them if they're there...

OL Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6' 6", 306 lbs. (R3)

OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (R3)

OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (R3)

OL Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6' 5", 305 lbs (R4)

OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs. (R4)

OL Jeremiah Poutasi, 6' 5", 335 lbs. (R5)

OL John Miller, Louisville, 6' 2", 303 lbs (R5)

OL Kaleb Johnson, Rutgers, 6' 4", 305 lbs (R5)

OL Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6' 4", 315 lbs (R6)

OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs (R6)

OL Jake Cotton, Nebraska, 6' 6", 305 lbs (R6)

Cole Manhart, Nebraska-Kearney, 6' 3", 305 lbs (R7)

If we could get say three of these guys with our mid to late picks, we will be in good shape...
Garcia I could definately see. There is a lot of talent on the O-line up for grabs in this years draft. I wouldn't be mad at all to get quality depth to starter potential for our O-line. Plug and play.
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