jeanpierre

Trade Back Draft (Updated)

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Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs. (Via Oakland) *1

Other than Scherff or Leonard Williams, this is the only player in the top 15 to truly have the biggest impact on our team; VB gets the edge over Scherff as the Iowa alum lacks perimeter skills at Tackle but should become an elite guard; with only one question mark on the offensive line, Tim Lelito, and the Saints answer so far seems they’re fine by not pursuing a free agent; but it’s last season’s dismal performance by the defense is what makes Beasley’s selection so demanding; Vic Beasley is the game-changing, difference maker needed, and with big defensive ends like Akiem Hicks who can stall, occupy double-teams, Beasley will be free to harrass quarterbacks and reduce coverage time demand on our defensive backs; I’d be willing to trade this pick and a future first to move up to select Beasley...

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) (Via Seattle, Traded to Jacksonville) *2

Pick No. 036 (R2, 4) WR Dorial Green-Beckham, Missouri via Oklahoma, 6' 5", 237 lbs. (Via Jacksonville) *2

Let me disclose that I’m not a fan of what this kid has demonstrated in terms of character and personality, nor his parents coddling, enabling said behavior, but he has unique talent and for it to be here can’t be ignored; this pick would be hard for me to reverse course, but added is the opportunity to address a successor to Marques Colston at the “x” position and would be irresistible to Payton; further, can’t think of a better locker room in the NFL for this kid than with Payton, Brees, Colston and Cooks; plus, he’ll spend his rookie season developing at the “y” in 3-wideout formations running the seams, fly routes, just really destroying defensive backfields similar to another poor-start character, Randy Moss...

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs.

Here fill a demand need at ILB and get the guy where nearly all talent evaluators have him ranked; am really nervous to let him go through the gambit of JAX, CHI, ATL, CLE and still have him available, if DGB isn’t there at pick 36, I’d probably reach and take Anthony then; now, the Saints defense is in as much dire need of an impact ILB as an OLB; regardless if Ellerbe recovers or Hawthorne returns to form, this linebacker has the athleticism, versatility and nastiness to raise the bar at ILB and score green or whatever PFF chooses; he’s self-motivated as evidence in his off-season training with at XPE Sports with Tony Villani and should help to quickly transform the attitude of the defense...

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) CB Alex Carter, Stanford, 6' 0", 196 lbs.

Despite still having a year of eligibility left, this three year starter (yes, he started at Stanford, Pac 10, as a true freshman) Carter presents great value here as a prototypical CB coming from a college that runs pro-style formations and churns out quality, smart football players; while his measurable aren’t elite, remembering he’s still developing, they are already ideal and he can tutelage under two quality CBs in Keenan Lewis and Brandon Browner; he’s seasoned and faced top competition in the Pac 10 week-in, week-out, many of whom are or will be in the NFL in short order; After Toi Cook and Leigh Torrence, Stanford owes us a good CB...

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin, 6' 7", 321 lbs. (Via Miami) *3

This guy is very much in the mould of Zach Strief; and though he had poor Combine measurables, they’ve significant improvement through to his pro-day; he’d have a great mentor, teacher in Strief and could be ready when Strief's contract expires; in fact, he could provide excellent depth regardless; he plays with great functional strength forcing speed rushers on longer arcing pass rush paths and is devastatingly effective in the run game, especially at the second level; with his athleticism being the question, he’s answered that with his Bench Press improvement – and that’s a plus as it shows he can get it done in the weight room...

Pick No. 103 (R4, 04) DE Corey Crawford, Clemson, 6' 5", 299 lbs. (Via Jacksonville) *1

This is a lot of Clemson, but I don't care if they all came from the same High School - These Cats Can Ball! Crawford has ideal size and speed for a 3-4 DE and is probably getting overlooked because of the awesome talent that's already there; plus, he could come in and offer excellent leverage should the inconsistent Jordan continue with unreasonable contract demands; address d-line depth at the minimal...

Pick No. 112 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle) *2

Pick No. 148 (R5, 12) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

Like another kid that once played TE for the Saints, he's a big body with a small sample size, but it's impressive; former QB developing quickly into a red zone threat who could more than offer a rather large bucket to throw for our QB to score in the end zone...

Pick No. 154 (R5, 18) (Via Kansas City, Traded to Jacksonville) *4, *1

Pick No. 187 (R6, 11) OG Mark Glowinski, Georgia, 6' 4", 307 lbs.

Waited to address Guard because if Payton, Loomis, Ireland were concerned with Lelito and/or Evans, they’d have easily matched and signed Clint Boling for what Cincy paid; West Virginia OL has gone under the radar with teammate WR Kevin White getting all the attention, but he’s shown tremendous upper body strength, intelligence in quickly adapting to what NFL scout are coaching, and a quiet, nasty disposition; he’ll need a year, maybe two and then he should impress...

Pick No. 230 (R7, 13) NT Deon Simon, Northwestern St (LA); 6’ 4⅜”, 321 lbs.

Great big, raw body that with the right coaching would be the steal of the draft; Bill Belichick even sat in and participated in his combine interview. This’ll be Bunkley's last season and to jumpstart another candidate for the NT rotation with Jenkins, well, we don't have to go far for this in-state product...

*1 Mock Trade - NO sends Picks 031 (R1, 31) and 154 (R5, 18) to JAX for Pick 036 (R2, 04), 103 (R4, 04).

*2 Graham Trade - NO sends All-Pro TE Jimmy Graham and Pick 112 (R4, 13) to SEA for All-Pro C Max Unger and Pick 031 (R1, 31)

*3 Stills Trade - NO sends WR Kenny Stills to MIA for LB Dannell Ellerbe and Pick 078 (R3, 14)

*4 Grubbs Trade - NO sends LG Ben Grubbs to KC for Pick 154 (R5, 18).

Alternate Selections/Priority Free Agents:

TE Brian Parker, Albany, 6' 4", 260 lbs.
DE James Rouse, Marshall, 6' 5", 277 lbs.
LB Gabriel Martin, Bowling Green, 6' 2", 235 lbs.
OL Jon Feliciano, Miami (Fl), 6' 4", 323 lbs.
WR Jake Kumerow, Wisconsin-Whitewater, 6' 4½", 208 lbs.
OT Jake Rodgers, Eastern Washington, 6' 6", 315 lbs.
LB Tony Washington, Oregon, 6' 4", 245 lbs.
OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 4", 325 lbs.
DL Olsen Pierre, Miami (FL), 6' 4", 300 lbs.
LB Andrew Hudson, Washington, 6' 2", 250 lbs.
RB Michael Dyer, Auburn via Louisville, 5' 8", 218 lbs.
LB James Vaughters, Stanford, 6' 2", 248 lbs.
DL Travis Raciti, San Jose St, 6' 4", 288 lbs.
LB David Mayo, Texas State, 6' 2", 230 lbs.
DL Brian Mihalik, Boston College, 6' 9", 302 lbs.

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

hagan714

In this deal I would take

Pick No. 036 Stephone Anthony

then gamble with Dorial to drop 44. Even then i may pass on him. here i would look hard at OL and CB

man coverage skills are what we need IMO with the state of this defense. I just do not see it in this kids game.

round 3 i think is were a WR can be had

so i guess I see the players filling needs round 2 and 3 are just reversed.

round 3 on is always fun. manyyyy options

jeanpierre

And that's probably the way to go maybe, second round go Dorsett, Carl Davis or PJ Williams...

I really like WR Chris Conley, Georgia with that second third rounder or nab him with the fourth rounder if he's still there; he's got that extra gear and would be an ideal complement to Colston and Cooks, plus he's 6' 2", getting back to taller receivers with larger catch radii...

But with DGB being there with that combination of height, speed, range - Couldn't pass up the opportunity......

Now Colston has been a soldier, playing through that same injury for the past several years (I suspect it's an arthritic condition as to why it's been a chronic, slowing injury)...

Another consideration is you get back some of that taller red-zone threat and those hail mary's at the half type of thing traded to Seattle...

And now's really a good time to bring in a new "x" receiver to tutelage under Colston, having an ideal peer in Cooks, a walking, talking HOFer in Brees, a rededicated, rejuvenated Payton...

And I love Cooks; he's already one of the best, dynamic flanker in the NFL, but at his height/size, he won't survive an NFL season as a x-wideout...

That's more of my arguments for DGB; he won't be there when we pick mid-round second, as by then he would have gone through picks by Washington, New York (J), Chicago, St Louis, Cleveland who can also afford to gamble with their second round picks and have definite need at WR...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

lee909

My latest couple of mocks of Fanspeak(1st) first-pick(2nd)


13: R1.P13
OT BRANDON SCHERFF
IOWA

31: R1P31
DE ELI HAROLD
VIRGINIA

44: R2P12
DT CARL DAVIS
IOWA

75: R3P11
ILB PAUL DAWSON
TCU

78: R3P14
G ALI MARPET
HOBART

148: R5P12
CB CHARLES GAINES
LOUISVILLE

154: R5P18
TE NICK O'LEARY
FLORIDA STATE

187: R6P11
OT COREY ROBINSON
SOUTH CAROLINA

230: R7P13
QB SEAN MANNION
OREGON STATE

Didn't plan on two guards early but i do that if Marpet was there in the third.
Let Scherff,Marpet and Lelito fight out for the LG spot. After next year we have a interior of Marpet-Unger-Scherff. Corey Robinson can sit for a year or two learning from Strief.





Made a trade with the Bengals getting there picks 1/2/3
Another trade R3.21 for R3.31/R4.13/R6.05
Traded back into early R4 for both R5 and R6/7 picks to grab a QB
Then traded again R6.05 for R6.10/R7.28



Round 1 Pick 21 (CINN): Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
Round 1 Pick 31: Jake Fisher, OT/OG, Oregon
Round 2 Pick 12: Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE/OLB, UCLA
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami (Fla.)
Round 3 Pick 11: Paul Dawson, OLB/ILB, TCU
Round 3 Pick 14: Clive Walford, TE, Miami (Fla.)
Round 3 Pick 31 (SEA): Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss
Round 4 Pick 13 (SEA): Frank Clark, DE/OLB, Michigan
Round 4 Pick 15 (MIA): Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State
Round 6 Pick 10 (NYG): Darren Waller, WR/TE, Georgia Tech
Round 7 Pick 28 (NYG): Ray Drew, DE, Georgia

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

halloween 65

I have to say both ways are solid. I'm not a big fan of Davis though. If by some chance we get him I hope(really, really hope) I'm wrong. I would much rather have the NT out of Oklahoma. I notice Grayson in there, I like him but I like Petty more.

lee909

Yeah Petty looks good but went to early on the simulator. That why i moved back in for Grayson.

I really like the idea of getting Golson. A bit smaller than others but the perfect CB3 to cover the slot. With him and Byrd roaming anything off target in the middle of the field should lead to turnovers

halloween 65

I like Goldon also he has mad skills. Size means nothing look at Revis.

blackangold

My 3 round mock:

13: R1P13
DT DANNY SHELTON
WASHINGTON

31: R1P31
OT ANDRUS PEAT
STANFORD

44: R2P12
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI

75: R3P11
G ALI MARPET
HOBART

78: R3P14
WR PHILLIP DORSETT
MIAMI

jeanpierre

Have been bullish on Ali Marpet for some time...

But two different scouting reports said basically the same thing...

Everyone acknowledges his athleticism and attitude as being fantastic...

But in the two reports both said that he was a "project"...

Didn't we learn our lesson last year in drafting a second round project?

Finks and Mora developed alot of talent here in New Orleans - That produced for other teams...

First, Second Rounders (with maybe, maybe the exception of quarterback) should be ready to play Week 1 - that's why you select them that high...

You take "projects" with later round picks...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

blackangold

That's why he is going to be selected in the 3rd round... I agree with your assumption that 1st and 2nd round picks should be contributing to the team day 1.