2015 draft??

RaginCajun83 · 04-23-2015, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson?? I don't need any info on the others and yes I've read the scouting reports but I want y'all's take on which one you'd prefer if we had to choose between the two.

Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson

ChrisXVI · 04-23-2015, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

i still think he is getting kinda of a bum wrap.

I won't be so harsh as to say "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" as we've heard about him, but where's the production? I remember watching Mississippi State games last season specifically for McKinney and not seeing him do anything. With his size and speed he should have separated himself from the pack.

ChrisXVI · 04-23-2015, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson

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hagan714 · 04-23-2015, 10:03 PM

shift back to more of a 43?

WILL - Eric Kendricks

ILB - Anthony Stevens

would work as good start IMO

ChrisXVI · 04-23-2015, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

shift back to more of a 43?

WILL - Eric Kendricks

ILB - Anthony Stevens

would work as good start IMO

There seems to be a lot of sentiment about a shift back to a 4-3 since we brought back Dennis Allen and never really seemed dedicated to acquiring the pieces to run a 3-4... But it was Sean Payton's decision to switch to a 3-4 so it's confusing. Ellerbe wasn't really a fit in Miami's 4-3 and we brought him in so I have to think we're finally going to commit to the 3-4.

TheDeuce · 04-23-2015, 10:14 PM

Wow, 91 pages huh?

This draft is going to be crazy because we have so many needs... I think I saw somebody mention that other than QB, RB, and S, there really isn't a position that I feel really good about. I don't think there will be an OL worth the value of the 13th pick when we come up, even though I think that may be our most important need. There are tons of high-end pass rushers in this draft, but the elite guys will probably be gone by 13. We could use another CB. We could use a WR. So many possibilities... if I was going to take a stab at it, I'd guess pass rusher with 13 and OL with 31... address WR and LB in 2nd and 3rd round since those appear to be pretty deep groups.

hagan714 · 04-23-2015, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

There seems to be a lot of sentiment about a shift back to a 4-3 since we brought back Dennis Allen and never really seemed dedicated to acquiring the pieces to run a 3-4... But it was Sean Payton's decision to switch to a 3-4 so it's confusing. Ellerbe wasn't really a fit in Miami's 4-3 and we brought him in so I have to think we're finally going to commit to the 3-4.

Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play.

hagan714 · 04-23-2015, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Wow, 91 pages huh?

This draft is going to be crazy because we have so many needs... I think I saw somebody mention that other than QB, RB, and S, there really isn't a position that I feel really good about. I don't think there will be an OL worth the value of the 13th pick when we come up, even though I think that may be our most important need. There are tons of high-end pass rushers in this draft, but the elite guys will probably be gone by 13. We could use another CB. We could use a WR. So many possibilities... if I was going to take a stab at it, I'd guess pass rusher with 13 and OL with 31... address WR and LB in 2nd and 3rd round since those appear to be pretty deep groups.

I agree that is my biggest fear also. pretty shallow at the top of the draft it would appear.

now here is a twist. say we are sitting at 13 with nothing falling into our laps. all may not be lost

I see houston as a possible trade down. they and miami have pretty much the same shopping list. if both top RB are on the board we may get a call to move back a couple of spots.

houston
16 (1000), swap 51 (390) for 78 (200), ?????/

now we have two seconds and a third?

or do you take Todd Gurley at 13?

see i was ready to use a third on RB myself plus SP loves to over pay for a RB and well knee injuries are not what they use to be i guess.

ChrisXVI · 04-23-2015, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play.

True... He may have underachieved in Miami after receiving a ridiculous contract and now he'll play harder regardless of scheme. I don't know... There are too many question marks at LB and even with a glut of picks I don't know if we'll be able to solve it. Ideally our LB's in a base 3-4 will look like this post draft:

Jack- Junior Galette (But hopefully not... I'm over him. Give me a different guy in the draft.)
Will- Dannell Ellerbe
Mike- Stephone Anthony
Sam- Anthony Spencer

K Major · 04-23-2015, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson??

I would prefer Dawson and here is why ...

Watched him live in 3 home games and he was always around the ball. Very good instincts, makes plays, good in coverage and he consistently stood out. Coach Paterson has been quoted as saying that Dawson is a film room/study guy. Sure there are other LB's in the draft who may be faster, but all I saw was a guy who stood out when the lights come on.

Nothing against EK but Paul has impressed me well before all of this combine and draft talk.

04-23-2015, 09:50 PM	#901
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson?? I don't need any info on the others and yes I've read the scouting reports but I want y'all's take on which one you'd prefer if we had to choose between the two. Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson

04-23-2015, 09:56 PM	#902
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 i still think he is getting kinda of a bum wrap. I won't be so harsh as to say "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" as we've heard about him, but where's the production? I remember watching Mississippi State games last season specifically for McKinney and not seeing him do anything. With his size and speed he should have separated himself from the pack.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Denzel Perryman Miami, after watching 3 games of his this last season, I really think he looks like he has the speed of a young Ray Lewis and the hitting ability of Vaughn Johnson Join Rez in Reading Comprehension 101.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 shift back to more of a 43? WILL - Eric Kendricks ILB - Anthony Stevens would work as good start IMO There seems to be a lot of sentiment about a shift back to a 4-3 since we brought back Dennis Allen and never really seemed dedicated to acquiring the pieces to run a 3-4... But it was Sean Payton's decision to switch to a 3-4 so it's confusing. Ellerbe wasn't really a fit in Miami's 4-3 and we brought him in so I have to think we're finally going to commit to the 3-4.

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04-23-2015, 10:17 PM	#907
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI There seems to be a lot of sentiment about a shift back to a 4-3 since we brought back Dennis Allen and never really seemed dedicated to acquiring the pieces to run a 3-4... But it was Sean Payton's decision to switch to a 3-4 so it's confusing. Ellerbe wasn't really a fit in Miami's 4-3 and we brought him in so I have to think we're finally going to commit to the 3-4. Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play. brees84 likes this.

04-23-2015, 10:22 PM	#908
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by TheDeuce Wow, 91 pages huh? This draft is going to be crazy because we have so many needs... I think I saw somebody mention that other than QB, RB, and S, there really isn't a position that I feel really good about. I don't think there will be an OL worth the value of the 13th pick when we come up, even though I think that may be our most important need. There are tons of high-end pass rushers in this draft, but the elite guys will probably be gone by 13. We could use another CB. We could use a WR. So many possibilities... if I was going to take a stab at it, I'd guess pass rusher with 13 and OL with 31... address WR and LB in 2nd and 3rd round since those appear to be pretty deep groups. I agree that is my biggest fear also. pretty shallow at the top of the draft it would appear. now here is a twist. say we are sitting at 13 with nothing falling into our laps. all may not be lost I see houston as a possible trade down. they and miami have pretty much the same shopping list. if both top RB are on the board we may get a call to move back a couple of spots. houston 16 (1000), swap 51 (390) for 78 (200), ?????/ now we have two seconds and a third? or do you take Todd Gurley at 13? see i was ready to use a third on RB myself plus SP loves to over pay for a RB and well knee injuries are not what they use to be i guess.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 Ellerbe dead money in the last two years is ZERO. so how long he is around seems to be up to him and his play. True... He may have underachieved in Miami after receiving a ridiculous contract and now he'll play harder regardless of scheme. I don't know... There are too many question marks at LB and even with a glut of picks I don't know if we'll be able to solve it. Ideally our LB's in a base 3-4 will look like this post draft: Jack- Junior Galette (But hopefully not... I'm over him. Give me a different guy in the draft.) Will- Dannell Ellerbe Mike- Stephone Anthony Sam- Anthony Spencer

04-23-2015, 11:10 PM	#910
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Fellow draft freaks... I have a question. When it comes to ILB's, which one of these two do you prefer and why: Eric Kendricks or Paul Dawson?? I would prefer Dawson and here is why ... Watched him live in 3 home games and he was always around the ball. Very good instincts, makes plays, good in coverage and he consistently stood out. Coach Paterson has been quoted as saying that Dawson is a film room/study guy. Sure there are other LB's in the draft who may be faster, but all I saw was a guy who stood out when the lights come on. Nothing against EK but Paul has impressed me well before all of this combine and draft talk. hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

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