Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees

frankeefrank · 11-30-2014, 06:12 PM

If we don't use our first two picks on defensive players, we'll be in even more trouble next season.
That being said, there are a lot of "intriguing" QB prospects in this draft.
You'll hear people fawning over Mariota, Winston, Hundley, Prescott, even Petty...
They are all spread QBs and we don't want any of them.
The guys we want are the less heralded QBs from "pro style offenses.
Mannion, Carden, Grayson...
Guys that will be there in the third round.
That being said, I really like Ryan Griffin.
The look he had on his face when he destroyed the field in that "Saints Ice Bucket Challenge video," told me everything I need to know about him.

Halo · 11-30-2014, 06:24 PM

Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

Danno · 11-30-2014, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

"Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?"

spkb25 · 11-30-2014, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

"Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?"

Next year is the first year he can restructure without hurting us, right? I think he will

halloween 65 · 11-30-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees.

Halo · 11-30-2014, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees.

Drew Brees is 35 years old. By comparison Brady is 37 and Manning is 38.

(this part NOT directed toward halloween 65 AT ALL)
The old arm argument is pretty tired. That argument started in 2010 the immediate season following our Superbowl win. I frankly think the self-induced disrespect of Brees by some of our fans shows why the Saints fan base is not the best in the business. Frankly some of our fans are very embarrassing because they feel jilted because the fanbase was so critical and torn over Aaron Brooks and/or the organization didn't promote Jake Delhomme? It's sad.

Brees is the best QB we've ever employed and will go down in the books as such. One-half the NFL would love the Saints to dump Brees so they would pick him up for a Superbowl run of their own and gladly pay what he asks for over the next 4 years to finish and retire a member of their organization. Sure he deserves all the criticism he earns, just like every NFL player, but a noodle arm old man, especially since 2010, is a sad pathetic attempt to implode the Saints fanbase.

spkb25 · 11-30-2014, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Drew Brees is 35 years old. By comparison Brady is 37 and Manning is 38.

(this part NOT directed toward halloween 65 AT ALL)
The old arm argument is pretty tired. That argument started in 2010 the immediate season following our Superbowl win. I frankly think the self-induced disrespect of Brees by some of our fans shows why the Saints fan base is not the best in the business. Frankly some of our fans are very embarrassing because they feel jilted because the fanbase was so critical and torn over Aaron Brooks and/or the organization didn't promote Jake Delhomme? It's sad.

Brees is the best QB we've ever employed and will go down in the books as such. One-half the NFL would love the Saints to dump Brees so they would pick him up for a Superbowl run of their own and gladly pay what he asks for over the next 4 years to finish and retire a member of their organization. Sure he deserves all the criticism he earns, just like every NFL player, but a noodle arm old man, especially since 2010, is a sad pathetic attempt to implode the Saints fanbase.

Could you imagine the Cards licking their chops?

voodooido · 11-30-2014, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

Very nice and well thought out post. I could not agree more.

hagan714 · 11-30-2014, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

As i said I love the Byrd signing but for that kind of money i would have passed.

Some one believed that Byrd was the answer to finish of building this defense to super bowl level. other wise why go to such lengths to make him fit the cap?

I will say it again. The sales man is Rob Ryan. Sp and Mickey had to buy into it but the master mind behind it all was and still is Rob Ryan.

Mickey is a pencil pusher not an architect. SP had buy into it as the missing piece also by the time the persennel planning was done for 2014.

This is all Rob and his hair brained dreamland defense he has in his head.

Guess what we are piling up wounded and playing players that can not handle his pipe dream.

Wow his hand is forced and the defense is scaled way back.

Results we look better the past two games than we have all year.

Fair warning to all brace yourself for stage two hair brained master plan this off season.

PS keep a close check list on all defensive picks, he too is responsible for each ever one. each round he picks a player that he believes will help. SP does the same on offense. they hash it out with Micky riding shoot gun.

hagan714 · 11-30-2014, 07:38 PM

for the love of god take him to the 40 already and put him out to pasture.

I will be shocked if Drew does not do an extension

11-30-2014, 06:12 PM	#1
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees If we don't use our first two picks on defensive players, we'll be in even more trouble next season. That being said, there are a lot of "intriguing" QB prospects in this draft. You'll hear people fawning over Mariota, Winston, Hundley, Prescott, even Petty... They are all spread QBs and we don't want any of them. The guys we want are the less heralded QBs from "pro style offenses. Mannion, Carden, Grayson... Guys that will be there in the third round. That being said, I really like Ryan Griffin. The look he had on his face when he destroyed the field in that "Saints Ice Bucket Challenge video," told me everything I need to know about him.
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11-30-2014, 06:24 PM	#2
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,903 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel. As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year. This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come. Danno, hagan714, saintsfan1976 and 1 others like this.
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11-30-2014, 06:29 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by Halo Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel. As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year. This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come. "Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?" Halo, mleg1972 and Mr.Riaton like this.

11-30-2014, 07:51 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by Danno "Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?" Next year is the first year he can restructure without hurting us, right? I think he will

11-30-2014, 06:36 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by Halo Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel. As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year. This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come. It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees.

11-30-2014, 07:32 PM	#6
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,903 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by halloween 65 It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees. Drew Brees is 35 years old. By comparison Brady is 37 and Manning is 38. *(this part NOT directed toward halloween 65 AT ALL)* The old arm argument is pretty tired. That argument started in 2010 the immediate season following our Superbowl win. I frankly think the self-induced disrespect of Brees by some of our fans shows why the Saints fan base is not the best in the business. Frankly some of our fans are very embarrassing because they feel jilted because the fanbase was so critical and torn over Aaron Brooks and/or the organization didn't promote Jake Delhomme? It's sad. Brees is the best QB we've ever employed and will go down in the books as such. One-half the NFL would love the Saints to dump Brees so they would pick him up for a Superbowl run of their own and gladly pay what he asks for over the next 4 years to finish and retire a member of their organization. Sure he deserves all the criticism he earns, just like every NFL player, but a noodle arm old man, especially since 2010, is a sad pathetic attempt to implode the Saints fanbase. spkb25, mleg1972, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,843	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by Halo Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel. As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year. This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come. Very nice and well thought out post. I could not agree more.
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11-30-2014, 10:43 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees Originally Posted by Halo As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year. As i said I love the Byrd signing but for that kind of money i would have passed. Some one believed that Byrd was the answer to finish of building this defense to super bowl level. other wise why go to such lengths to make him fit the cap? I will say it again. The sales man is Rob Ryan. Sp and Mickey had to buy into it but the master mind behind it all was and still is Rob Ryan. Mickey is a pencil pusher not an architect. SP had buy into it as the missing piece also by the time the persennel planning was done for 2014. This is all Rob and his hair brained dreamland defense he has in his head. Guess what we are piling up wounded and playing players that can not handle his pipe dream. Wow his hand is forced and the defense is scaled way back. Results we look better the past two games than we have all year. Fair warning to all brace yourself for stage two hair brained master plan this off season. PS keep a close check list on all defensive picks, he too is responsible for each ever one. each round he picks a player that he believes will help. SP does the same on offense. they hash it out with Micky riding shoot gun.
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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees for the love of god take him to the 40 already and put him out to pasture. I will be shocked if Drew does not do an extension

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