Depth chart - what would you change

K Major · 12-08-2014, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Straight up cut robinson, white, hawthorne, goodwin, and bunkley. Restructure Colston, Grubbs, Evans for pay cuts. Maybe even gallete too. Maybe start trading players for draft picks.
Fire every defensive coach, ST coach jim mcmahon. Just try to acquire as many picks and find as much cap space as possible. We can't continue to go on how we have so we need to trim the fat and dead wood. This would be after the season of course.

I agree on cutting PRob, Hawthorne however White can at least tackle in space so he serves a purpose. Assistant coaches have done a poor job and it shows on the field. It will be interesting to see how this pans out at the end of the season.

We need better talent defensively - period.

halloween 65 · 12-08-2014, 10:09 AM

Build the D in a true 3-4 manner, stating with a NT and a DT along sise him for depth with Hicks and Jordan, could be a stout line. LB needs to be a really good ILB to play next to Lofton, that shores up the middle for some tough running. Next OLB and with JR. being a 1 trick pony makes 1 side weak, Harrelson plays his roll well, I would let Powell compete with JR and draft a lower pick OLB to let Harrellson groom. On the O a stout(mean and nasty ) C and a RT. I think we keep 1 of the 2 G so one has to be replaced. I would love to make a couple of trades also instead of cutting. More picks.

SaintsBro · 12-08-2014, 10:46 AM

I was in the Dome yesterday, at a weird angle from it, and couldn't really see...

I hate to say this, but....first thing I would do with the depth chart if I was Sean Payton, is cue up the coach's film of the end zone fight, from every angle, and watch it repeatedly with my staff, and see who exactly did what, and what went down. Anybody in a Saints uniform who started the fight or made the fight worse, I'd bench 'em and start the process of moving on -- cutting or trading, get rid of them. Anybody in a Saints uniform who played a role in giving up the touchdown on the previous play -- bench 'em too. Anyone who fought in the fight, but who stood up for themselves or a teammate in a reasonable fashion, that guy stays with a warning and a good talking to. Anybody who pulled people apart, who tried to stop it, or separated people, or tried to cool people down, that guy stays.

That whole thing was just garbage.

blackangold · 12-08-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I was in the Dome yesterday, at a weird angle from it, and couldn't really see...

I hate to say this, but....first thing I would do with the depth chart if I was Sean Payton, is cue up the coach's film of the end zone fight, from every angle, and watch it repeatedly with my staff, and see who exactly did what, and what went down. Anybody in a Saints uniform who started the fight or made the fight worse, I'd bench 'em and start the process of moving on -- cutting or trading, get rid of them. Anybody in a Saints uniform who played a role in giving up the touchdown on the previous play -- bench 'em too. Anyone who fought in the fight, but who stood up for themselves or a teammate in a reasonable fashion, that guy stays with a warning and a good talking to. Anybody who pulled people apart, who tried to stop it, or separated people, or tried to cool people down, that guy stays.

That whole thing was just garbage.

I have no issue with the fight. Cam should have gotten it worse IMO... I would be looking at that on film though, but I would be looking for the people that stood back and did nothing, because that type of non-aggression is killing this team. I promise you if the GW defenses were involved in the same altercation the bench would have emptied. Now, with the lack of fire and leadership no one cares.

dizzle88 · 12-08-2014, 10:54 AM

I'd send a message and release the overpaid defensive captain

Captains lead by example and all he does is talk trash whilst he's unable to back it up

Before the start of the season he said he would "Own" the falcons new LT, who then quickly drove Junior into the turf on every play

K Major · 12-08-2014, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'd send a message and release the overpaid defensive captain

Captains lead by example and all he does is talk trash whilst he's unable to back it up

+1. Attitude reflects leadership.

Mardigras9 · 12-08-2014, 11:23 AM

I have no issue with the fight.

Me either. Bad enough you are kicking our ass in our own house, but to have to watch you showboat about it also. Good penalty, no one in a Saints uniform threw a punch, take the 15 or offsetting or whatever it was.
The real tragedy is it didn't light the team up after.

saintsfan1976 · 12-08-2014, 11:33 AM

Galette had 12 sacks last season. He hasn't handled success or his captain role as he should. Every season up to this one he's been a good player.

I have to think he'll be better next year.

Cut:
White
Bunkley
Hawthorne
Goodwin
Meachem
Hicks
Cadet

Add:
CB - no true #2 on the roster
ILB - starter to replace hawthorne
OLB - should have been butler, never filled that spot
NT -big body, rotate with Jenkins (hicks?)
DE - is hicks having a bad season or is he suited to NT?
SS - Vaccaro is a specialist. blitz w him. can't tackle worth a crap
WR - one mean SOB who FIGHTS for yardage
G - ready to start in 2yrs

MarchingOn · 12-08-2014, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Galette had 12 sacks last season. He hasn't handled success or his captain role as he should. Every season up to this one he's been a good player.

I have to think he'll be better next year.

Cut:
White
Bunkley
Hawthorne
Goodwin
Meachem
Hicks
Cadet

Add:
CB - no true #2 on the roster
ILB - starter to replace hawthorne
OLB - should have been butler, never filled that spot
NT -big body, rotate with Jenkins (hicks?)
DE - is hicks having a bad season or is he suited to NT?
SS - Vaccaro is a specialist. blitz w him. can't tackle worth a crap
WR - one mean SOB who FIGHTS for yardage
G - ready to start in 2yrs

Hawthorne must go. Goodwin should go. Meachum will go...someday...although the fire sale price is hard to beat.

Cut Hicks? No way! Won't bother wasting time defending him. Just an obvious keeper for now.

Cut Corey White? Only a young 5th round draft pick. Make a backup nickel instead.

Cut young Cadet? Only if we need the roster spot for a good defensive player.

Wonder if ILB Lofton should go, too.

Hope we following everyone one of your "adds."

UK_WhoDat · 12-08-2014, 11:50 AM

Get a standout 3-4 NT for starters.
And build the defense around him

12-08-2014, 10:00 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,882 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Straight up cut robinson, white, hawthorne, goodwin, and bunkley. Restructure Colston, Grubbs, Evans for pay cuts. Maybe even gallete too. Maybe start trading players for draft picks. Fire every defensive coach, ST coach jim mcmahon. Just try to acquire as many picks and find as much cap space as possible. We can't continue to go on how we have so we need to trim the fat and dead wood. This would be after the season of course. I agree on cutting PRob, Hawthorne however White can at least tackle in space so he serves a purpose. Assistant coaches have done a poor job and it shows on the field. It will be interesting to see how this pans out at the end of the season. We need better talent defensively - period. VegasSaint9 likes this.

12-08-2014, 10:46 AM	#3
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Depth chart - what would you change I was in the Dome yesterday, at a weird angle from it, and couldn't really see... I hate to say this, but....first thing I would do with the depth chart if I was Sean Payton, is cue up the coach's film of the end zone fight, from every angle, and watch it repeatedly with my staff, and see who exactly did what, and what went down. Anybody in a Saints uniform who started the fight or made the fight worse, I'd bench 'em and start the process of moving on -- cutting or trading, get rid of them. Anybody in a Saints uniform who played a role in giving up the touchdown on the previous play -- bench 'em too. Anyone who fought in the fight, but who stood up for themselves or a teammate in a reasonable fashion, that guy stays with a warning and a good talking to. Anybody who pulled people apart, who tried to stop it, or separated people, or tried to cool people down, that guy stays. That whole thing was just garbage.

12-08-2014, 11:08 AM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Originally Posted by SaintsBro I was in the Dome yesterday, at a weird angle from it, and couldn't really see... I hate to say this, but....first thing I would do with the depth chart if I was Sean Payton, is cue up the coach's film of the end zone fight, from every angle, and watch it repeatedly with my staff, and see who exactly did what, and what went down. Anybody in a Saints uniform who started the fight or made the fight worse, I'd bench 'em and start the process of moving on -- cutting or trading, get rid of them. Anybody in a Saints uniform who played a role in giving up the touchdown on the previous play -- bench 'em too. Anyone who fought in the fight, but who stood up for themselves or a teammate in a reasonable fashion, that guy stays with a warning and a good talking to. Anybody who pulled people apart, who tried to stop it, or separated people, or tried to cool people down, that guy stays. That whole thing was just garbage. I have no issue with the fight. Cam should have gotten it worse IMO... I would be looking at that on film though, but I would be looking for the people that stood back and did nothing, because that type of non-aggression is killing this team. I promise you if the GW defenses were involved in the same altercation the bench would have emptied. Now, with the lack of fire and leadership no one cares. brees84 and VegasSaint9 like this.

12-08-2014, 10:54 AM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,653	Re: Depth chart - what would you change I'd send a message and release the overpaid defensive captain Captains lead by example and all he does is talk trash whilst he's unable to back it up Before the start of the season he said he would "Own" the falcons new LT, who then quickly drove Junior into the turf on every play K Major and VegasSaint9 like this.

12-08-2014, 02:09 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,882 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'd send a message and release the overpaid defensive captain Captains lead by example and all he does is talk trash whilst he's unable to back it up +1. Attitude reflects leadership.

12-08-2014, 10:09 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Build the D in a true 3-4 manner, stating with a NT and a DT along sise him for depth with Hicks and Jordan, could be a stout line. LB needs to be a really good ILB to play next to Lofton, that shores up the middle for some tough running. Next OLB and with JR. being a 1 trick pony makes 1 side weak, Harrelson plays his roll well, I would let Powell compete with JR and draft a lower pick OLB to let Harrellson groom. On the O a stout(mean and nasty ) C and a RT. I think we keep 1 of the 2 G so one has to be replaced. I would love to make a couple of trades also instead of cutting. More picks. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-08-2014, 11:23 AM	#7
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Depth chart - what would you change I have no issue with the fight. Me either. Bad enough you are kicking our ass in our own house, but to have to watch you showboat about it also. Good penalty, no one in a Saints uniform threw a punch, take the 15 or offsetting or whatever it was. The real tragedy is it didn't light the team up after. saintsfan1976, MarchingOn and VegasSaint9 like this.

12-08-2014, 11:33 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Galette had 12 sacks last season. He hasn't handled success or his captain role as he should. Every season up to this one he's been a good player. I have to think he'll be better next year. Cut: White Bunkley Hawthorne Goodwin Meachem Hicks Cadet Add: CB - no true #2 on the roster ILB - starter to replace hawthorne OLB - should have been butler, never filled that spot NT -big body, rotate with Jenkins (hicks?) DE - is hicks having a bad season or is he suited to NT? SS - Vaccaro is a specialist. blitz w him. can't tackle worth a crap WR - one mean SOB who FIGHTS for yardage G - ready to start in 2yrs

12-08-2014, 03:05 PM	#9
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Galette had 12 sacks last season. He hasn't handled success or his captain role as he should. Every season up to this one he's been a good player. I have to think he'll be better next year. Cut: White Bunkley Hawthorne Goodwin Meachem Hicks Cadet Add: CB - no true #2 on the roster ILB - starter to replace hawthorne OLB - should have been butler, never filled that spot NT -big body, rotate with Jenkins (hicks?) DE - is hicks having a bad season or is he suited to NT? SS - Vaccaro is a specialist. blitz w him. can't tackle worth a crap WR - one mean SOB who FIGHTS for yardage G - ready to start in 2yrs Hawthorne must go. Goodwin should go. Meachum will go...someday...although the fire sale price is hard to beat. Cut Hicks? No way! Won't bother wasting time defending him. Just an obvious keeper for now. Cut Corey White? Only a young 5th round draft pick. Make a backup nickel instead. Cut young Cadet? Only if we need the roster spot for a good defensive player. Wonder if ILB Lofton should go, too. Hope we following everyone one of your "adds."

12-08-2014, 11:50 AM	#10
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,005	Re: Depth chart - what would you change Get a standout 3-4 NT for starters. And build the defense around him halloween 65 and MarchingOn like this.

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