What changes would you make?

Jack Vegas · 12-08-2014, 10:30 AM

Clearly a major shakeup is coming in the offseason.

I'm going to say something controversial, not just for its own sake but because I really do believe it: It's time to let Sean Payton move on.

It's no secret his play calling and offensive philosophy have gone stale. Let's be honest, if not for the way the defense played last year we'd probably have been a 7-9 or 6-10 type team. IMO he is too stubborn to change his ideals and he will never truly turn over the reins to an offensive coordinator.

I love Sean Payton for what he has done, I really do - but what we're seeing is the continuation of a downward trend. I do not believe he is the same coach he was before the Bountygate suspension. He has lost a lot of what made him so good.

Jim Harbaugh, in my opinion, would be an extremely good hire to replace Sean. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's the kind of jerk who can get things done. He turns around programs instantly, as we saw with Stanford and the 49ers. He knows how to motivate younger players and would turn us into a hard-nosed team again.

rezburna · 12-08-2014, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Clearly a major shakeup is coming in the offseason.

I'm going to say something controversial, not just for its own sake but because I really do believe it: It's time to let Sean Payton move on.

It's no secret his play calling and offensive philosophy have gone stale. Let's be honest, if not for the way the defense played last year we'd probably have been a 7-9 or 6-10 type team. IMO he is too stubborn to change his ideals and he will never truly turn over the reins to an offensive coordinator.

I love Sean Payton for what he has done, I really do - but what we're seeing is the continuation of a downward trend. I do not believe he is the same coach he was before the Bountygate suspension. He has lost a lot of what made him so good.

Jim Harbaugh, in my opinion, would be an extremely good hire to replace Sean. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's the kind of jerk who can get things done. He turns around programs instantly, as we saw with Stanford and the 49ers. He knows how to motivate younger players and would turn us into a hard-nosed team again.

Most people won't agree with you on Harbaugh. Our fan base is too "classy" for the likes of him. If we were to move on from Payton, I'd hope it would be him. Or John Gruden.

hagan714 · 12-08-2014, 10:42 AM

Rex not Rob as the DC

brees84 · 12-08-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Or John Gruden.

If we hire him, Gruden will be doing backflips all the way to Nola...

brees84 · 12-08-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Rex not Rob as the DC

Imagine family gatherings. lol

dizzle88 · 12-08-2014, 10:59 AM

I don't think Rob is as much to blame as people think

How many of us watch the likes of David Hawthorne, Kenny vaccaro, Corey white, P-rob and Curtis lofton miss tackles, blow coverages or drop picks

All of us, because they all do it every game

Sure rob deserves some blame, but is he to blame that none of our players can tackle?
Or is he to blame that none of the D line is getting pressure anymore when all they need to do is win their matchup? The things they were doing successfully last season.

ChrisXVI · 12-08-2014, 11:10 AM

Just a hypothetical here, but with all the talk about the 49ers trading Harbaugh... Would anybody be on board with trading Sean Payton for a bunch of draft picks? I'm not saying I want to see that happen but the Harbaugh situation made me wonder about it.

Mardigras9 · 12-08-2014, 11:19 AM

It's time to let Sean Payton move on

Unbelievable. Clearly there is a need for a major "shakeup" in multiple areas ON the field. The fans have been riding a awesome positive wave essentially since Payton came (minus the bountygate year). So the first time now that we see serious team issues, it's throw the captain off the ship?
I DO NOT agree.

dizzle88 · 12-08-2014, 11:23 AM

We were actually better in the bounty gate year than we are now lol

Payton will most likely stay (I wouldn't be totally against him getting fired)

We need a head coach that will bring toughness to this team, we have been a finesse team for as long as I can remember

Best I can hope for at the minute is Carmichael will take over play calling, but SP is too stubborn to see he is ONE of the many things that's hurting our team

jnormand · 12-08-2014, 11:25 AM

Get rid of Payton? I don't agree with that. I think changes are needed but replacing the HC because of one bad season is ridiculous. I'd rather the Saints not turn into the mess that is the Raiders.

Second, I can't stand Harbaugh. He's annoying and he throws fits and temper tantrums like a damn baby all the time. Just my opinion.

Lastly why is everyone complaining about Lofton all the time? The guy had 17 tackles yesterday and leads the team in tackles. He's got 127 on the season with three games left. Give the guy a break. Jesus.

12-08-2014, 10:30 AM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	What changes would you make? Clearly a major shakeup is coming in the offseason. I'm going to say something controversial, not just for its own sake but because I really do believe it: It's time to let Sean Payton move on. It's no secret his play calling and offensive philosophy have gone stale. Let's be honest, if not for the way the defense played last year we'd probably have been a 7-9 or 6-10 type team. IMO he is too stubborn to change his ideals and he will never truly turn over the reins to an offensive coordinator. I love Sean Payton for what he has done, I really do - but what we're seeing is the continuation of a downward trend. I do not believe he is the same coach he was before the Bountygate suspension. He has lost a lot of what made him so good. Jim Harbaugh, in my opinion, would be an extremely good hire to replace Sean. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's the kind of jerk who can get things done. He turns around programs instantly, as we saw with Stanford and the 49ers. He knows how to motivate younger players and would turn us into a hard-nosed team again.
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12-08-2014, 10:39 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: What changes would you make? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Clearly a major shakeup is coming in the offseason. I'm going to say something controversial, not just for its own sake but because I really do believe it: It's time to let Sean Payton move on. It's no secret his play calling and offensive philosophy have gone stale. Let's be honest, if not for the way the defense played last year we'd probably have been a 7-9 or 6-10 type team. IMO he is too stubborn to change his ideals and he will never truly turn over the reins to an offensive coordinator. I love Sean Payton for what he has done, I really do - but what we're seeing is the continuation of a downward trend. I do not believe he is the same coach he was before the Bountygate suspension. He has lost a lot of what made him so good. Jim Harbaugh, in my opinion, would be an extremely good hire to replace Sean. Yeah, he's a jerk, but he's the kind of jerk who can get things done. He turns around programs instantly, as we saw with Stanford and the 49ers. He knows how to motivate younger players and would turn us into a hard-nosed team again. Most people won't agree with you on Harbaugh. Our fan base is too "classy" for the likes of him. If we were to move on from Payton, I'd hope it would be him. Or John Gruden.

12-08-2014, 10:42 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What changes would you make? Rex not Rob as the DC saintsfan1976 and Mr.Riaton like this.

12-08-2014, 10:55 AM	#4
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: What changes would you make? Originally Posted by rezburna Or John Gruden. If we hire him, Gruden will be doing backflips all the way to Nola...
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12-08-2014, 10:57 AM	#5
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: What changes would you make? Originally Posted by hagan714 Rex not Rob as the DC Imagine family gatherings. lol
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12-08-2014, 10:59 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: What changes would you make? I don't think Rob is as much to blame as people think How many of us watch the likes of David Hawthorne, Kenny vaccaro, Corey white, P-rob and Curtis lofton miss tackles, blow coverages or drop picks All of us, because they all do it every game Sure rob deserves some blame, but is he to blame that none of our players can tackle? Or is he to blame that none of the D line is getting pressure anymore when all they need to do is win their matchup? The things they were doing successfully last season. SaintFanQ, saintsfan1976 and Saintaintso like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What changes would you make? Just a hypothetical here, but with all the talk about the 49ers trading Harbaugh... Would anybody be on board with trading Sean Payton for a bunch of draft picks? I'm not saying I want to see that happen but the Harbaugh situation made me wonder about it.

12-08-2014, 11:19 AM	#8
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: What changes would you make? It's time to let Sean Payton move on Unbelievable. Clearly there is a need for a major "shakeup" in multiple areas ON the field. The fans have been riding a awesome positive wave essentially since Payton came (minus the bountygate year). So the first time now that we see serious team issues, it's throw the captain off the ship? I DO NOT agree. lumm0x, Rugby Saint II, Beastmode and 1 others like this.

12-08-2014, 11:23 AM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: What changes would you make? We were actually better in the bounty gate year than we are now lol Payton will most likely stay (I wouldn't be totally against him getting fired) We need a head coach that will bring toughness to this team, we have been a finesse team for as long as I can remember Best I can hope for at the minute is Carmichael will take over play calling, but SP is too stubborn to see he is ONE of the many things that's hurting our team

12-08-2014, 11:25 AM	#10
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: What changes would you make? Get rid of Payton? I don't agree with that. I think changes are needed but replacing the HC because of one bad season is ridiculous. I'd rather the Saints not turn into the mess that is the Raiders. Second, I can't stand Harbaugh. He's annoying and he throws fits and temper tantrums like a damn baby all the time. Just my opinion. Lastly why is everyone complaining about Lofton all the time? The guy had 17 tackles yesterday and leads the team in tackles. He's got 127 on the season with three games left. Give the guy a break. Jesus. SaintFanQ, Mr.Riaton and VegasSaint9 like this.

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