The one guy in free agency that u want....

FireVenturi · 01-10-2005, 10:31 PM

In my own humble opinion I think Kitna, Warner, and Brees would be better for this team than Brooks. Especially if we get a new OC that installs a new system.
Even as bad as our O-line is it\'s still better than the Rams, Chargers and Giants.
Warner and Kitna would probably be the best bang for the buck.
Brees would be all this offense needs to become a consistent top 10 juggernaut, and of course a Duece who isn\'t 20 lbs overweight.

Once again, its just my opinion. And I\'ve never been considered a Brooks basher, ever.

one year makes a difference...i guess, would anybody have wanted Brees after last year?i just think like Drew... AB just needs some competition.

RDOX · 01-11-2005, 02:05 AM

Is Keith Bulluck a free agent yet???

If not - what the heck - let\'s deal AB and sign Kurt Warner, Jon Kitna or Tommy Maddox (whoever comes on the cheap ... don\'t resign Howard and spend the saved money elsewhere).

Kitna or Maddox, but not Warner. Trade Leon to Green Bay for a #2 and #3 and pay the big to Pace. Move Gandy to right Tackle, draft a project to apprentice under Gandy for a year and let fly. Draft a STUD LB and cut Cie Grant loose.
Then if Smoot were available, pick him up for the other side, and cut Thomas, Ambrose and Craft loose too.

saintsplaya · 01-11-2005, 04:20 AM

i think it has to be a offensive tackle. victor riley may not be coming back and spencer folau got manhandled against simeon rice. probably porkchop womack from seattle is an option. either that or we will draft a tackle. linebacker is a need also if we lose sedrick hodge. but this year isnt a great FA list. not nearly as many starters in this list as there was last year.

shadowdrinker · 01-11-2005, 04:40 AM

I like Witherspoon from Carolina...

Freddie Jones from Arizona...

Kenoy Kenndey from Denver

I can\'t really see us getting an Orlando Pace kinda guy for the O line...he would just want too much I fear...

Witherspoon..yeah..that\'s who looks good to me so far

[Edited on 11/1/2005 by shadowdrinker]

Danno · 01-11-2005, 07:47 AM

Make a list of 5 or 6 \"difference makers\" and go after them full speed.
Target LT, DT, LB, RT, OG.

Fill in the gaps with B-list FA\'s, like Craft, Young, Stecker etc.

Plan your draft after you see who you were or weren\'t able to sign.

DO NOT draft someone at a position of strength like DE or WR or starting RB (a good 3rd/4th round back-up would be nice though in case Mcfat-boy comes into camp outta shape again)

RDOX · 01-11-2005, 09:36 PM

Make a list of 5 or 6 \"difference makers\" and go after them full speed.
Target LT, DT, LB, RT, OG.

Fill in the gaps with B-list FA\'s, like Craft, Young, Stecker etc.

Plan your draft after you see who you were or weren\'t able to sign.

DO NOT draft someone at a position of strength like DE or WR or starting RB (a good 3rd/4th round back-up would be nice though in case Mcfat-boy comes into camp outta shape again)

I couldn\'t agree more. Now watch, I\'d bet the house note that Hazlett and LoomBoom draft a DE, WR, or Stud RB. It\'s in the cards. These people don\'t have a clue. I\'d also wager that the \"excuse\" for drafting one of the 3 above is because they\'re \"fast.\"

Rsanders24 · 01-12-2005, 12:20 AM

I read most of these threads and alot of the players you mention are not reasonable signings like Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, their own team can\'t sign them because they want $10M a year that\'s why they keep getting the franchise tag put on them. Line Backers most of them are only as good as the DL\' s that are in front of them if your DL isn\'t effective than your LB\'s will be blocked and won\'t be able to run free and make tackles. So the first thing is to sure up the middle of the DL(if you don\'t believe me look at Urlacher) and second make sure that they will work in the system that they are using. None of the QB\'s that are listed would be an improvement over what we have so why just give away money because if we trade Brooks we take the hit of his bonus, part of his salary, and then we still have to sign someone so unless someone can come up with a better QB and not some riduclous trade for one I don\'t see that position changing much. I really would like Howard to be resigned because I think that he is the most valuable and versitle person that we have on the DL. I think is\'t too early to say who will be free agents I think that a lot of oter good players will be released for cap reasons so we will see.

RDOX · 01-12-2005, 06:42 AM

I read most of these threads and alot of the players you mention are not reasonable signings like Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, their own team can\'t sign them because they want $10M a year that\'s why they keep getting the franchise tag put on them. Line Backers most of them are only as good as the DL\' s that are in front of them if your DL isn\'t effective than your LB\'s will be blocked and won\'t be able to run free and make tackles. So the first thing is to sure up the middle of the DL(if you don\'t believe me look at Urlacher) and second make sure that they will work in the system that they are using. None of the QB\'s that are listed would be an improvement over what we have so why just give away money because if we trade Brooks we take the hit of his bonus, part of his salary, and then we still have to sign someone so unless someone can come up with a better QB and not some riduclous trade for one I don\'t see that position changing much. I really would like Howard to be resigned because I think that he is the most valuable and versitle person that we have on the DL. I think is\'t too early to say who will be free agents I think that a lot of oter good players will be released for cap reasons so we will see.

You make a great point about the LB\'s and the quality of the D-line. It looks like Pease has kicked this unit up a bit and you are seeing his \"system\" finally come to fruition at the end of the season.

With regard to Brooks. Your analysis of his salary situation may be correct, however, Brooks has shot himself in the foot with all of his talk about \"greatness\" etc. While getting someone like Kitna or Maddox, may not be a physical upgrade, it very well may be an emotional one for the TEAM. Watching Brooks over the past 4 years has made one thing glaringly clear. He wants only what is good for him. He is immature, selfish, and self absorbed. Bringing in a TEAM player with fewer tools, but a better attitude may catalyze the Offense into what it has been touted it can be.

WhoDat · 01-12-2005, 09:34 AM

In my own humble opinion I think Kitna, Warner, and Brees would be better for this team than Brooks. Especially if we get a new OC that installs a new system.

Danno, are you kidding? Please tell me you\'re kidding. Brees I get after the monster year he had. Kitna, b/c he\'s a Trent Dilfer type who is wasting away behind a young stud. But Kurt Warner?!?!?! Are you serious? The guy may be MORE fumble prone and careless with the ball than Brooks. He\'s just as slow to to make decisions, seems just as dumb, isn\'t half the athlete, and is much much older. No thanks - I keep Leon over Warner. I am still not convinced Warner was ever much of anything besides the beneficiary of circumstance.

Likewise, why do you want to go to the ball control offense (I think you said it in another thread)? I\'m not so sure this team can be the Rams or Colts anymore, but it could definitely be the Chargers or Steelers. Maybe it\'s just semantics, but for me, ball control means keep it on the ground, and beat teams 10-7. We can\'t do that - we\'ll have to score at least 20 points a game to win, and probably 25.

Danno · 01-12-2005, 11:07 AM

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Likewise, why do you want to go to the ball control offense (I think you said it in another thread)? I\'m not so sure this team can be the Rams or Colts anymore, but it could definitely be the Chargers or Steelers. Maybe it\'s just semantics, but for me, ball control means keep it on the ground, and beat teams 10-7. We can\'t do that - we\'ll have to score at least 20 points a game to win, and probably 25.

I don\'t think it was me you\'re referring to. I think we have the personnel to go vertical. Our slowest WR runs a 4.4. Of course our star RB is balooning into a FB but I think he\'ll come into camp next year fit and trim. Out TE\'s are capable of stretching the field. Our QB has a strong arm.

I\'ve complained about not going deep all year. You must be thinking of someone else. Ball control? Not me.

I am curious, some people have implied AB is so bad that just about anyone would be better. Do you really think Warner, who would be awfully cheap, would be worse than AB?

01-10-2005, 10:31 PM	#31
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	The one guy in free agency that u want.... In my own humble opinion I think Kitna, Warner, and Brees would be better for this team than Brooks. Especially if we get a new OC that installs a new system. Even as bad as our O-line is it\'s still better than the Rams, Chargers and Giants. Warner and Kitna would probably be the best bang for the buck. Brees would be all this offense needs to become a consistent top 10 juggernaut, and of course a Duece who isn\'t 20 lbs overweight. Once again, its just my opinion. And I\'ve never been considered a Brooks basher, ever. one year makes a difference...i guess, would anybody have wanted Brees after last year?i just think like Drew... AB just needs some competition.

01-11-2005, 02:05 AM	#32
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	The one guy in free agency that u want.... Is Keith Bulluck a free agent yet??? If not - what the heck - let\'s deal AB and sign Kurt Warner, Jon Kitna or Tommy Maddox (whoever comes on the cheap ... don\'t resign Howard and spend the saved money elsewhere). Kitna or Maddox, but not Warner. Trade Leon to Green Bay for a #2 and #3 and pay the big to Pace. Move Gandy to right Tackle, draft a project to apprentice under Gandy for a year and let fly. Draft a STUD LB and cut Cie Grant loose. Then if Smoot were available, pick him up for the other side, and cut Thomas, Ambrose and Craft loose too.
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01-11-2005, 04:20 AM	#33
saintsplaya Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 52	The one guy in free agency that u want.... i think it has to be a offensive tackle. victor riley may not be coming back and spencer folau got manhandled against simeon rice. probably porkchop womack from seattle is an option. either that or we will draft a tackle. linebacker is a need also if we lose sedrick hodge. but this year isnt a great FA list. not nearly as many starters in this list as there was last year.
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01-11-2005, 04:40 AM	#34
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	The one guy in free agency that u want.... I like Witherspoon from Carolina... Freddie Jones from Arizona... Kenoy Kenndey from Denver I can\'t really see us getting an Orlando Pace kinda guy for the O line...he would just want too much I fear... Witherspoon..yeah..that\'s who looks good to me so far [Edited on 11/1/2005 by shadowdrinker]
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01-11-2005, 07:47 AM	#35
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01-11-2005, 09:36 PM	#36
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	The one guy in free agency that u want.... Make a list of 5 or 6 \"difference makers\" and go after them full speed. Target LT, DT, LB, RT, OG. Fill in the gaps with B-list FA\'s, like Craft, Young, Stecker etc. Plan your draft after you see who you were or weren\'t able to sign. DO NOT draft someone at a position of strength like DE or WR or starting RB (a good 3rd/4th round back-up would be nice though in case Mcfat-boy comes into camp outta shape again) I couldn\'t agree more. Now watch, I\'d bet the house note that Hazlett and LoomBoom draft a DE, WR, or Stud RB. It\'s in the cards. These people don\'t have a clue. I\'d also wager that the \"excuse\" for drafting one of the 3 above is because they\'re \"fast.\"
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01-12-2005, 12:20 AM	#37
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	The one guy in free agency that u want.... I read most of these threads and alot of the players you mention are not reasonable signings like Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, their own team can\'t sign them because they want $10M a year that\'s why they keep getting the franchise tag put on them. Line Backers most of them are only as good as the DL\' s that are in front of them if your DL isn\'t effective than your LB\'s will be blocked and won\'t be able to run free and make tackles. So the first thing is to sure up the middle of the DL(if you don\'t believe me look at Urlacher) and second make sure that they will work in the system that they are using. None of the QB\'s that are listed would be an improvement over what we have so why just give away money because if we trade Brooks we take the hit of his bonus, part of his salary, and then we still have to sign someone so unless someone can come up with a better QB and not some riduclous trade for one I don\'t see that position changing much. I really would like Howard to be resigned because I think that he is the most valuable and versitle person that we have on the DL. I think is\'t too early to say who will be free agents I think that a lot of oter good players will be released for cap reasons so we will see.

01-12-2005, 06:42 AM	#38
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	The one guy in free agency that u want.... I read most of these threads and alot of the players you mention are not reasonable signings like Walter Jones and Orlando Pace, their own team can\'t sign them because they want $10M a year that\'s why they keep getting the franchise tag put on them. Line Backers most of them are only as good as the DL\' s that are in front of them if your DL isn\'t effective than your LB\'s will be blocked and won\'t be able to run free and make tackles. So the first thing is to sure up the middle of the DL(if you don\'t believe me look at Urlacher) and second make sure that they will work in the system that they are using. None of the QB\'s that are listed would be an improvement over what we have so why just give away money because if we trade Brooks we take the hit of his bonus, part of his salary, and then we still have to sign someone so unless someone can come up with a better QB and not some riduclous trade for one I don\'t see that position changing much. I really would like Howard to be resigned because I think that he is the most valuable and versitle person that we have on the DL. I think is\'t too early to say who will be free agents I think that a lot of oter good players will be released for cap reasons so we will see. You make a great point about the LB\'s and the quality of the D-line. It looks like Pease has kicked this unit up a bit and you are seeing his \"system\" finally come to fruition at the end of the season. With regard to Brooks. Your analysis of his salary situation may be correct, however, Brooks has shot himself in the foot with all of his talk about \"greatness\" etc. While getting someone like Kitna or Maddox, may not be a physical upgrade, it very well may be an emotional one for the TEAM. Watching Brooks over the past 4 years has made one thing glaringly clear. He wants only what is good for him. He is immature, selfish, and self absorbed. Bringing in a TEAM player with fewer tools, but a better attitude may catalyze the Offense into what it has been touted it can be.
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01-12-2005, 09:34 AM	#39
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	The one guy in free agency that u want.... In my own humble opinion I think Kitna, Warner, and Brees would be better for this team than Brooks. Especially if we get a new OC that installs a new system. Danno, are you kidding? Please tell me you\'re kidding. Brees I get after the monster year he had. Kitna, b/c he\'s a Trent Dilfer type who is wasting away behind a young stud. But Kurt Warner?!?!?! Are you serious? The guy may be MORE fumble prone and careless with the ball than Brooks. He\'s just as slow to to make decisions, seems just as dumb, isn\'t half the athlete, and is much much older. No thanks - I keep Leon over Warner. I am still not convinced Warner was ever much of anything besides the beneficiary of circumstance. Likewise, why do you want to go to the ball control offense (I think you said it in another thread)? I\'m not so sure this team can be the Rams or Colts anymore, but it could definitely be the Chargers or Steelers. Maybe it\'s just semantics, but for me, ball control means keep it on the ground, and beat teams 10-7. We can\'t do that - we\'ll have to score at least 20 points a game to win, and probably 25.
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01-12-2005, 11:07 AM	#40
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The one guy in free agency that u want.... ... Likewise, why do you want to go to the ball control offense (I think you said it in another thread)? I\'m not so sure this team can be the Rams or Colts anymore, but it could definitely be the Chargers or Steelers. Maybe it\'s just semantics, but for me, ball control means keep it on the ground, and beat teams 10-7. We can\'t do that - we\'ll have to score at least 20 points a game to win, and probably 25. I don\'t think it was me you\'re referring to. I think we have the personnel to go vertical. Our slowest WR runs a 4.4. Of course our star RB is balooning into a FB but I think he\'ll come into camp next year fit and trim. Out TE\'s are capable of stretching the field. Our QB has a strong arm. I\'ve complained about not going deep all year. You must be thinking of someone else. Ball control? Not me. I am curious, some people have implied AB is so bad that just about anyone would be better. Do you really think Warner, who would be awfully cheap, would be worse than AB?