Should we fire RR?

jlaw8920 · 12-22-2014, 01:20 PM

I know a few people mentioned it before, but I have to ask again because I saw no clear answer. What is the deal with the soft coverage on almost every play. The worst examples was when it would constantly be 3rd and short. Our CBs would literally be in press coverage position then drop a few yards behind the first down marker right before the ball was snapped. This resulted in many first downs as well as opened up the screen game for Atlanta.

If anyone comes across an article explaining what the benefit of that kind of D is, please share.

I'm so confused by it!

billyt81 · 12-22-2014, 01:30 PM

The Atlanta offense is pretty good and the D held up yesterday. The Atlanta D had 16 sacks on the season going into the game but sacked Drew 5 or 6 times. If we should fire anyone it'd be the O-Line coach. In what was essentially a playoff game, we showed little fire or effort. This team has no leadership and I suspect there are problems behind closed doors. Is RR the problem? Personally, I like RR. I hope we keep him.

Barry from MS · 12-22-2014, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

One great year, one horrible year. If you look at his body of work including college he's good. I'd give him another year, try and get him some bodies that can push.

Replacing the DC every year is the worst option. They seldom get in the playoffs their first attempt, something like 20% chance on a new team. He was the exception last year. It comes down to what would you rather have, a 20% chance or, a higher chance with lessons learned and some new talent. I'll take the later. If that fails he's outta here.

Building continuity. I like it. A lot of us (myself included) also lose sight that this is kinda like Payton's 2nd year as a HC.

Like it or not, we are seeing the effects of that Bounty Gate crap. Call it a cop out or what not for the way this year has unfolded at 7-9 or 6-10 if you like, but losing TWO 2nd Round draft picks or having the option of trading those picks for veterans with leadership qualities and most importantly breaking the continuity of leadership Sean Payton had between 2011 & 2013 showed up in 2014.

Call me stupid for saying so, but I've been called much, much worse.

Rugby Saint II · 12-22-2014, 03:51 PM

Payton lost the fire. But you had better believe that the fire is back and Payton will right this ship.

dizzle88 · 12-22-2014, 04:10 PM

Yeah the D has been pretty poor for most of the year

However let's not forget the Payton's vaunted offense, scored 14 points vs the 31st ranked passing defense, aswell as letting them get 5 sacks and 4 turnovers

Bottom line is, if we scored a TD in the 2 min drill we win the game, but once again Brees throws a back breaking pick.

Positional coaches definitely need to go, I've got a feeling that Ryan will be given another year.

Ryan wasn't out there missing tackles and not being able to stay with receivers, thats what happens when 3/4ths of your D are late round picks and UDFA's.

blackangold · 12-22-2014, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by jlaw8920

I know a few people mentioned it before, but I have to ask again because I saw no clear answer. What is the deal with the soft coverage on almost every play. The worst examples was when it would constantly be 3rd and short. Our CBs would literally be in press coverage position then drop a few yards behind the first down marker right before the ball was snapped. This resulted in many first downs as well as opened up the screen game for Atlanta.

If anyone comes across an article explaining what the benefit of that kind of D is, please share.

I'm so confused by it!

They played loose coverage all year, and this is honestly my most hated aspect of any defensive scheme. We could play a 1-5-5 all game and I would care less than the ****ty off-man coverage.

SmashMouth · 12-22-2014, 04:43 PM

Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here?

Barry from MS · 12-22-2014, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here?

I'm a 3rd String Armchair QB with a bad back & bad brain.

Thanks for the offer...but no thanks dude. Regardless of contract.

SloMotion · 12-22-2014, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here?

Duh! Pretty much all of us,

jeanpierre · 12-22-2014, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'd like to show him some loyalty and keep him around for another season. There are plenty of scapegoats but I think it's set bad precedent for future signings/hires to give up on someone so soon. He had one great year and one horrible year... Id like to give him a fair shake and see what we can do next season. Because if we're going to fire Ryan, there are plenty coaches on both sides of the ball, and players for that matter, that have shown to be productive in the past that should be shown the door as well.

^^^THIS^^^

This is the problem: Too Many Guaranteed Contracts

How does Ryan motivate guys without the fear of them losing their jobs?!?

Problem is we need a General Manager to offset, challenge Coach Payton with a different perspective take on our personnel disposition...

Loomis and a good bit of the scouting department must go, now!!!

And like the above states, you keep firing people and fail to give them the ammo to succeed, no talented coach is going to want to come here...

12-22-2014, 01:20 PM	#41
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: Should we fire RR? I know a few people mentioned it before, but I have to ask again because I saw no clear answer. What is the deal with the soft coverage on almost every play. The worst examples was when it would constantly be 3rd and short. Our CBs would literally be in press coverage position then drop a few yards behind the first down marker right before the ball was snapped. This resulted in many first downs as well as opened up the screen game for Atlanta. If anyone comes across an article explaining what the benefit of that kind of D is, please share. I'm so confused by it! Papa Voodoo, Beastmode and SaintsBro like this.
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12-22-2014, 01:30 PM	#42
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Should we fire RR? The Atlanta offense is pretty good and the D held up yesterday. The Atlanta D had 16 sacks on the season going into the game but sacked Drew 5 or 6 times. If we should fire anyone it'd be the O-Line coach. In what was essentially a playoff game, we showed little fire or effort. This team has no leadership and I suspect there are problems behind closed doors. Is RR the problem? Personally, I like RR. I hope we keep him.

12-22-2014, 03:44 PM	#43
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Should we fire RR? Originally Posted by Beastmode One great year, one horrible year. If you look at his body of work including college he's good. I'd give him another year, try and get him some bodies that can push. Replacing the DC every year is the worst option. They seldom get in the playoffs their first attempt, something like 20% chance on a new team. He was the exception last year. It comes down to what would you rather have, a 20% chance or, a higher chance with lessons learned and some new talent. I'll take the later. If that fails he's outta here. Building continuity. I like it. A lot of us (myself included) also lose sight that this is kinda like Payton's 2nd year as a HC. Like it or not, we are seeing the effects of that Bounty Gate crap. Call it a cop out or what not for the way this year has unfolded at 7-9 or 6-10 if you like, but losing TWO 2nd Round draft picks or having the option of trading those picks for veterans with leadership qualities and most importantly breaking the continuity of leadership Sean Payton had between 2011 & 2013 showed up in 2014. Call me stupid for saying so, but I've been called much, much worse. Rugby Saint II and SaintsBro like this.
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12-22-2014, 03:51 PM	#44
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,747	Re: Should we fire RR? Payton lost the fire. But you had better believe that the fire is back and Payton will right this ship. captainshawn likes this.

12-22-2014, 04:10 PM	#45
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Should we fire RR? Yeah the D has been pretty poor for most of the year However let's not forget the Payton's vaunted offense, scored 14 points vs the 31st ranked passing defense, aswell as letting them get 5 sacks and 4 turnovers Bottom line is, if we scored a TD in the 2 min drill we win the game, but once again Brees throws a back breaking pick. Positional coaches definitely need to go, I've got a feeling that Ryan will be given another year. Ryan wasn't out there missing tackles and not being able to stay with receivers, thats what happens when 3/4ths of your D are late round picks and UDFA's.
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12-22-2014, 04:36 PM	#46
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Should we fire RR? Originally Posted by jlaw8920 I know a few people mentioned it before, but I have to ask again because I saw no clear answer. What is the deal with the soft coverage on almost every play. The worst examples was when it would constantly be 3rd and short. Our CBs would literally be in press coverage position then drop a few yards behind the first down marker right before the ball was snapped. This resulted in many first downs as well as opened up the screen game for Atlanta. If anyone comes across an article explaining what the benefit of that kind of D is, please share. I'm so confused by it! They played loose coverage all year, and this is honestly my most hated aspect of any defensive scheme. We could play a 1-5-5 all game and I would care less than the ****ty off-man coverage. brees84 likes this.

12-22-2014, 04:43 PM	#47
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,029 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Should we fire RR? Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here? Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-22-2014, 06:45 PM	#48
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Should we fire RR? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here? I'm a 3rd String Armchair QB with a bad back & bad brain. Thanks for the offer...but no thanks dude. Regardless of contract.

12-22-2014, 06:49 PM	#49
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Should we fire RR? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe they can hire one of us? Who can coach around here? Duh! Pretty much all of us, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-22-2014, 07:44 PM	#50
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Should we fire RR? Originally Posted by papz I'd like to show him some loyalty and keep him around for another season. There are plenty of scapegoats but I think it's set bad precedent for future signings/hires to give up on someone so soon. He had one great year and one horrible year... Id like to give him a fair shake and see what we can do next season. Because if we're going to fire Ryan, there are plenty coaches on both sides of the ball, and players for that matter, that have shown to be productive in the past that should be shown the door as well. ^^^THIS^^^ This is the problem: Too Many Guaranteed Contracts How does Ryan motivate guys without the fear of them losing their jobs?!? Problem is we need a General Manager to offset, challenge Coach Payton with a different perspective take on our personnel disposition... Loomis and a good bit of the scouting department must go, now!!! And like the above states, you keep firing people and fail to give them the ammo to succeed, no talented coach is going to want to come here... K Major likes this.

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