Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?

Tobias-Reiper · 01-18-2015, 01:55 PM

Funny...
After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position.

Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches.

Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline.

If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either.

Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL.

saintsfan1976 · 01-18-2015, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Funny...
After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position.

Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches.

Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline.

If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either.

Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL.

Many of the current Saints coaches have been in place for YEARS with the same results.

And this team HAS talent. 2013 was no fluke. Even without everyone the team lost this still should have been a top defense. While I'll say it was partly due to injury, it looked like the defense was never ready for the season.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-19-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Many of the current Saints coaches have been in place for YEARS with the same results.

The same results as last season? Year after year? You sure about that?

And this team HAS talent.

Really? Where?

Danno · 01-19-2015, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And this team HAS talent.

Really? Where?

I'd have to agree that we have a lot of talent on defense. They just totally underperformed this year.

Jordan
Galette
Hicks
Lofton
Lewis
Vaccaro
Byrd
Jenkins
Bush

Tobias-Reiper · 01-19-2015, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'd have to agree that we have a lot of talent on defense. They just totally underperformed this year.

Jordan
Galette
Hicks
Lofton
Lewis
Vaccaro
Byrd
Jenkins
Bush

And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he had one good game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.

spkb25 · 01-20-2015, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.

JG has 12 sacks and 10 sacks the last two seasons. Even if you concede he is just a sack specialist, they're pretty good numbers.

blackangold · 01-20-2015, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And I'd have to disagree...

I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out"

I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know.

But the rest, I just don't see true talent.

Byrd was an all-pro that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles.

Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures, and was our best player by a mile according to PFF.

Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-20-2015, 11:16 AM

Ok.. Let's not do the politican soundbite thing here...

Originally Posted by blackangold

Byrd was an all-pro

Yes, was selected as 2nd team All-Pro, behind Earl Thomas and Eric Berry, after the 2013 season in Buffalo.

... that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles.

He didn't lead the team in turnovers. He had none. He did however made Julio Jones fumble the first game of the season. That was his only forced fumble.

So you say he lead the team in tackles... ok... but then you look at passes defended, 2. Then you think, a Free Safety defending only 2 passes, but making 17 tackles... and makes you wonder... seems he had a high number of tackles for a safety because he was tackling receivers|TE's after they made the catch... which is no good.

Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures,

Please, do not put Galette.
And JJ Watt on the same sentence.

...for QB pressures,and was our best player by a mile according to PFF.

Then PFF is full of ****, and were not watching either Keenan Lewis, or the reason why Galette was anywhere near the QB. I would also like to see PFF's definition of "QB pressure". "Being around 5yds from QB", not really QB pressure.

Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety.

That Vaccaro is a SF and Warren is a FS notwithstanding:

Warren was the best graded safety... cool... probably because his 2 INTs from the Bears game... then other 5 games he played in, not so hot.

So, one very good rookie season and one bad season makes a player a bust, whereas 1 good game and 5 meh to bad games makes someone a diamond in the rough.Sounds legit.

01-18-2015, 01:55 PM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Funny... After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position. Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches. Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline. If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either. Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL. lumm0x, aquaboogie and VegasSaint9 like this.
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01-18-2015, 06:11 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,013 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Funny... After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position. Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches. Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline. If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either. Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL. Many of the current Saints coaches have been in place for YEARS with the same results. And this team HAS talent. 2013 was no fluke. Even without everyone the team lost this still should have been a top defense. While I'll say it was partly due to injury, it looked like the defense was never ready for the season. Mr.Riaton likes this.

01-19-2015, 02:48 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Many of the current Saints coaches have been in place for YEARS with the same results. The same results as last season? Year after year? You sure about that? And this team HAS talent. Really? Where?

01-19-2015, 03:42 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And this team HAS talent. Really? Where? I'd have to agree that we have a lot of talent on defense. They just totally underperformed this year. Jordan Galette Hicks Lofton Lewis Vaccaro Byrd Jenkins Bush

01-19-2015, 10:13 PM	#5
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Danno I'd have to agree that we have a lot of talent on defense. They just totally underperformed this year. Jordan Galette Hicks Lofton Lewis Vaccaro Byrd Jenkins Bush And I'd have to disagree... I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out" I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he had one good game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know. But the rest, I just don't see true talent.

01-20-2015, 05:02 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And I'd have to disagree... I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out" I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know. But the rest, I just don't see true talent. JG has 12 sacks and 10 sacks the last two seasons. Even if you concede he is just a sack specialist, they're pretty good numbers.

01-20-2015, 07:39 AM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And I'd have to disagree... I did say Lewis, Jordan, with Vaccaro as "jury still out" I'll give you Byrd same as Vaccaro, "jury still out", since he ahd one god game then looked bad before he got hurt, but he has a history, although I didn't follow the Bills, so I don't know. But the rest, I just don't see true talent. Byrd was an all-pro that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles. Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures, and was our best player by a mile according to PFF. Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety. Danno and dizzle88 like this.

01-20-2015, 11:16 AM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Ok.. Let's not do the politican soundbite thing here... Originally Posted by blackangold Byrd was an all-pro Yes, was selected as 2nd team All-Pro, behind Earl Thomas and Eric Berry, after the 2013 season in Buffalo. ... that lead the team in tackles and turnovers before getting hurt, as a safety you should never lead the team in tackles. He didn't lead the team in turnovers. He had none. He did however made Julio Jones fumble the first game of the season. That was his only forced fumble. So you say he lead the team in tackles... ok... but then you look at passes defended, 2. Then you think, a Free Safety defending only 2 passes, but making 17 tackles... and makes you wonder... seems he had a high number of tackles for a safety because he was tackling receivers\|TE's after they made the catch... which is no good. Gallete was only behind JJ Watt for QB pressures, Please, do not put Galette. And JJ Watt on the same sentence. ...for QB pressures,and was our best player by a mile according to PFF. Then PFF is full of ****, and were not watching either Keenan Lewis, or the reason why Galette was anywhere near the QB. I would also like to see PFF's definition of "QB pressure". "Being around 5yds from QB", not really QB pressure. Ill say that Vaccaro is a bust at the safety spot but we have a diamond in Warren who in limited reps was the best graded Safety. That Vaccaro is a SF and Warren is a FS notwithstanding: Warren was the best graded safety... cool... probably because his 2 INTs from the Bears game... then other 5 games he played in, not so hot. So, one very good rookie season and one bad season makes a player a bust, whereas 1 good game and 5 meh to bad games makes someone a diamond in the rough.Sounds legit.
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