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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Kool, you were going along pretty well until this: he\'s managed the fumbles 14 last year, 13 this year. Now if you wanna say he and the team have better learned how to jump on his fumbles, that is a ...
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01-12-2005, 11:57 AM | #21 |
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Kool, you were going along pretty well until this:
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01-12-2005, 12:50 PM | #22 |
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That was supposed to be \"fewer\", not few.
Here is the improvement: last year the line played much better. He fumbled a lot, and it was almost entirely his fault. This year, the brutal punishment and the having to play on the fly, I\'d say fewer of the TOs were his fault and his fault alone - this represents improvement. This year\'s Brooks combined with last year\'s line = not too bad. Otherwise, you caught me on that one. I didn\'t realize there were 16 INTs this year; I guess I wasn\'t paying attention to the ones that didn\'t happen in the ol\' red zone. Either way, it doesn\'t negate the point about being 500. While I\'ll concede that it is rational to hold that Brooks may not be able to \"manage\" the game - it seems we may be at a stale mate on that one (as far as I\'m concerned), unless good reply is given to my argument here. [Edited on 12/1/2005 by JKool] |
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01-12-2005, 12:56 PM | #23 |
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I\'m not sure about this, since I didn\'t get to see too many of the games, but fumbles where you lose the ball are different from the ones you don\'t (in a way that is different from merely being a turn over).
Fumbles where recovery of the ball are likely usually occur near the LOS; thus, when Brooks lost the ball and it was recovered by our guys it wasn\'t merely Brooks dancing around and getting in trouble, it was Brooks getting hit before he was ready and some lineman was watching closely enough to Brooks getting creamed to jump on the ball. Thus, the recovery rate indicates that it was more on the line than on Brooks this time around. This is by no means an iron clad argument, but it is worth considering when considering whether or not improvement was made. |
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01-12-2005, 01:47 PM | #24 |
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Let Leon throw enough 8 yard hooks to keep defenses from putting 8-9 in the box and depend on our WR\'s to get yards after catch or to put us in more 3rd and 2 rather than 3rd and 13. At any rate, by taking the ball away from the QB we can eliminate more of the decisions he has to make and hopefully keep his faulty decsions from being more damaging than they really have to be. With that sort of offense, I\'m not sure why we need to pay a QB 6 million a year though. |
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01-12-2005, 01:59 PM | #25 |
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Kool, you present a good argument, but look at it this way. Did you see the throw to Gandy? That was a fumble, recovered by Deuce, 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. If it is 3rd and goal, as in the Arizona game, and you fumble the ball, as AB did, you end up with 4th and goal even if you recover and a field goal instead of a td. Or, give the defense a play off in having to stop you and shutting down the drive altogether. Even if the fumbles are recovered by the offense, they can kill a drive depending on down and distance. And gatorman expressed it great about the blocking:
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We averaged slightly better than 21 points a game this year. That\'s down from last year, but it should still be enough to win. Brooks threw the second most passes in the league, primarilly I\'d assume due to the fact that we played from behind ALL the time. Brooks may not be perfect, but he\'s surely an easy target. I COMPLETELY Disagree with the idea that we should bring in some bus driver. Bill Parcells tried that very thing in Dallas this year, and he took himself from the playoffs to the couch.
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01-12-2005, 02:26 PM | #27 |
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But since it looks like we\'re going to have somewhere around 10 years of Haslett, we\'re going to be stuck with Leon for the remainder of his career. (In fact, I expect Leon to holdout or raise a big stink in order to get some blockbuster 10 year deal this offseason.) So in the meantime, the best option we have is to take the ball out of Leon\'s hands. It seems evident to me that we need better play from the OT positions. Gandy is too expensive and isn\'t fast enough to pick up the rush and I can\'t see Riley being inked again. As for Deuce\'s playing weight--I hurt for the guy. Ever since he\'s been here, Haslett has had him on a dieting yo-yo. First he was too light, then he was too fat, then he was too light again, now he\'s too fat again. I\'d like to take that decision from Haslett totally. Have Deuce and the conditioning coach and training staff meet and work out a size that works for Deuce. Haslett gets to move the Xs and Os around, Deuce decides what he needs to do to play at his best.
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01-12-2005, 02:36 PM | #28 |
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You may (or may not) remember me pointing out dropped passes TWO YEARS ago and, as Whodi puts it, getting railed for even suggesting it, but I think we all know it\'s an issue. If we\'re paying attention we do. Admitting our guys have a problem dropping passes doesn\'t mean we don\'t think Brooks throws bad balls at times, but it seems to get generalized that way.
NO ONE, not even me, is trying to say Brooks is a GOD or anything close, but he IS allowed to Audible, and he DOES do it successfully. He fails at it sometimes to. Perhaps someone can show me a QB that doesn\'t? He IS accused of things he is not at fault for, and yeah, he says some dumb things. He is a target for an 8-8 team, but I simply cannot agree that he\'s the reason it\'s 8-8...not when I watch the games on Sunday and see the crap that happens around him. He\'s not getting a pass, but I\'m not making assumptions about him that I have no way of knowing either. |
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01-12-2005, 03:03 PM | #29 |
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To all:
Interesting factoid posted by BMG a few months ago:
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01-12-2005, 03:16 PM | #30 |
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Quick question for every one. I like to do this from time to time to \"put things in perspective.\"
Aside from the Offensive Tackles, what is the next largest problem spot on offense? If you\'re a GM or an OC and you\'re planning an offense, what do you look to fix after the tackles? Me, looking at the Saints, it\'s a tough call between the TEs and the QB. Given the vastly greater importance of the QB position, I probably address that before I worry about the TEs. Or, look at the TEAM overall. DT, LB (shocker to see those two... again), OT... when what? QB? I still feel that AB is disliked in large part due to how closely he resembles the rest of the team. Inconsistent, undisciplined, not that bright, not a \"student of the game\", works hard when he feels like it, but he always manages to do just enough to make some people think he deserves another year. Sound familiar? Couple that with hold outs for top 5 money and proclamations of being a great QB on a team that\'s holding him back and it isn\'t hard for me to see why people want him gone. Zero character.... [Edited on 12/1/2005 by WhoDat] |
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