Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery

02-01-2015, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have a sneaking feeling that Graham's high paid doctors know a bit more about his need, or lack of, for surgery than you. Surgery is always a last resort when it comes to joints areas. Yes, sometimes it is the only resort, but all surgeries come with a risk.

You're point that none of us have personally examined his shoulder to recommend surgery is valid, however...

Do you read, and do you comprehend what you read?!?

R-E-S-T was prescribed; so, he had no business playing in the ProBowl...

If my comment seems cynical, it is because it is founded in his selfish decision to play in a game that many have argued has reached its course and should be discontinued...

Actually, I'd like to look at the specifics of compensation for Graham for playing in the game...

Back to my experience with sports orthopedics; should it play out that he'll need surgery, it will probably be more involved and may affect next season's success as he procrastinated to have the procedure done...

Some of us are more informed, and have more experience than you idly dismiss; you should really reflect on the arrogant tone you project on members of this community that their opinions are invalid because they differ from yours...

Again, football is not rocket science...

SmashMouth · 02-01-2015, 03:15 PM

Probably a good plan.... he DID dunk after all in the ProBowl!

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2015, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're point that none of us have personally examined his shoulder to recommend surgery is valid, however...

Do you read, and do you comprehend what you read?!?

R-E-S-T was prescribed; so, he had no business playing in the ProBowl...

If my comment seems cynical, it is because it is founded in his selfish decision to play in a game that many have argued has reached its course and should be discontinued...

Actually, I'd like to look at the specifics of compensation for Graham for playing in the game...

Back to my experience with sports orthopedics; should it play out that he'll need surgery, it will probably be more involved and may affect next season's success as he procrastinated to have the procedure done...

Some of us are more informed, and have more experience than you idly dismiss; you should really reflect on the arrogant tone you project on members of this community that their opinions are invalid because they differ from yours...

Again, football is not rocket science...

R-E-S-T was prescribed AFTER playing in the Pro Bowl to test it out. The whole week before everything was about using the Pro Bowl as a test. Do you honestly think that was all on Graham? That smacks of what a doctor would say.

After the game it was determined that R-E-S-T was all that was required. Not surgery.

You implied earlier that not having surgery was a mistake. Once again, how do you know more than Graham and his doctors? Do you even have the slightest clue as to what procedure may need to be done? Please share your "experience with sports orthopedics".

halloween 65 · 02-01-2015, 03:43 PM

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy !!! All that money the Saints paid you and you dunk at the pro bowl. Now I think his injury must be healed up, should be no more excuses for drops, quitting on plays, blocking defenders, and in particular going over the middle. If your well enough to dunk a football over a goal post, do the rest or is it all show!! Earn that high dollar contract you got last year because you aint' earned that big money contract with your abilities last season. Be more like Gronk if you can.

Rugby Saint II · 02-01-2015, 05:27 PM

He may still do a little clean up surgery when he gets back into action in the spring. I just hope it doesn't drag on into TC. It would be good to have everyone available throughout TC for a change. We certainly need everyone on the same page and begin building cohesiveness early on.

I trust in Payton to get this back on track, however TC needs to be less powder puff and more like boot camp. OTA's need to have full attendance.

st thomas · 02-02-2015, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So now we're going to geaux through half the season and then go on IR to do surgery that he should have had now...

Jimmy is becoming a Roger Dorn...

doesn't it sound so familiar, its gets repeat hit in the same shoulder in spring and dr's say surgery to get it healed, jimmy you have to understand that when you go short arming your drops for half a season can cause domino effect on your team bro. everyone seems to drop off. show us and your team the money jimmy, it works all the time, same for jr. galette and cam, and drew, jari, grubbs, colston, every starter to back ups man. that's what made it happen in 09, everyone took care of their bodies and DID THEIR JOBS.

UK_WhoDat · 02-03-2015, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Have you examined Graham yourself?
What did his MRI's look like?
How did you determine that it was an injury that could not heal sans surgery?
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

AG. In order.
No
Wouldn't know, mate
I thought about and had an OPINION
Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there?

I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc.

Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be.

SloMotion · 02-03-2015, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

AG. In order.
No
Wouldn't know, mate
I thought about and had an OPINION
Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there?

I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc.

Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be.

... you should get in on the rezburna "don't denigrate me or my homies because you don't know us" discussions,

.

UK_WhoDat · 02-03-2015, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

... you should get in on the rezburna "don't denigrate me or my homies because you don't know us" discussions, .

Saw that on the SB XLIX thread. I ran. Hahaha

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2015, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

AG. In order.
No
Wouldn't know, mate
I thought about and had an OPINION
Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there?

I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc.

Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be.

I was questioning your insistence that Graham should have surgery as stated below. Perhaps it comes from 25 years working as an analyst, but it frustrates me to see assumptions without any supporting facts at all.

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

I say, despite the risks from surgery, the current plan SHOULD BE rehab the shoulder with surgery and rest.

That is against the risk of continuing, as he has done, with an injury that made him pretyy well ineffective last season.

Graham came into this past season perfectly healthy. He suffered the shoulder injury in week five in the overtime win against Tampa bay. It was determined at that time that surgery was not required and playing with the shoulder was possible. That was obviously confirmed following the season. Graham shared the "fact" that surgery was not required and rest, which was not possible during the season, was all that was needed for recovery.

As I mentioned before, surgery is ALWAYS the very last resort. One can fully recover from a wide range of injuries through rest followed by physical therapy.

02-01-2015, 02:19 PM	#11
Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have a sneaking feeling that Graham's high paid doctors know a bit more about his need, or lack of, for surgery than you. Surgery is always a last resort when it comes to joints areas. Yes, sometimes it is the only resort, but all surgeries come with a risk. You're point that none of us have personally examined his shoulder to recommend surgery is valid, however... Do you read, and do you comprehend what you read?!? R-E-S-T was prescribed; so, he had no business playing in the ProBowl... If my comment seems cynical, it is because it is founded in his selfish decision to play in a game that many have argued has reached its course and should be discontinued... Actually, I'd like to look at the specifics of compensation for Graham for playing in the game... Back to my experience with sports orthopedics; should it play out that he'll need surgery, it will probably be more involved and may affect next season's success as he procrastinated to have the procedure done... Some of us are more informed, and have more experience than you idly dismiss; you should really reflect on the arrogant tone you project on members of this community that their opinions are invalid because they differ from yours... Again, football is not rocket science...
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02-01-2015, 03:15 PM	#12
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Probably a good plan.... he DID dunk after all in the ProBowl!

02-01-2015, 03:37 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're point that none of us have personally examined his shoulder to recommend surgery is valid, however... Do you read, and do you comprehend what you read?!? R-E-S-T was prescribed; so, he had no business playing in the ProBowl... If my comment seems cynical, it is because it is founded in his selfish decision to play in a game that many have argued has reached its course and should be discontinued... Actually, I'd like to look at the specifics of compensation for Graham for playing in the game... Back to my experience with sports orthopedics; should it play out that he'll need surgery, it will probably be more involved and may affect next season's success as he procrastinated to have the procedure done... Some of us are more informed, and have more experience than you idly dismiss; you should really reflect on the arrogant tone you project on members of this community that their opinions are invalid because they differ from yours... Again, football is not rocket science... R-E-S-T was prescribed AFTER playing in the Pro Bowl to test it out. The whole week before everything was about using the Pro Bowl as a test. Do you honestly think that was all on Graham? That smacks of what a doctor would say. After the game it was determined that R-E-S-T was all that was required. Not surgery. You implied earlier that not having surgery was a mistake. Once again, how do you know more than Graham and his doctors? Do you even have the slightest clue as to what procedure may need to be done? Please share your "experience with sports orthopedics". captainshawn likes this.

02-01-2015, 03:43 PM	#14
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy !!! All that money the Saints paid you and you dunk at the pro bowl. Now I think his injury must be healed up, should be no more excuses for drops, quitting on plays, blocking defenders, and in particular going over the middle. If your well enough to dunk a football over a goal post, do the rest or is it all show!! Earn that high dollar contract you got last year because you aint' earned that big money contract with your abilities last season. Be more like Gronk if you can. UK_WhoDat and jeanpierre like this.

02-01-2015, 05:27 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery He may still do a little clean up surgery when he gets back into action in the spring. I just hope it doesn't drag on into TC. It would be good to have everyone available throughout TC for a change. We certainly need everyone on the same page and begin building cohesiveness early on. I trust in Payton to get this back on track, however TC needs to be less powder puff and more like boot camp. OTA's need to have full attendance. jeanpierre and captainshawn like this.
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02-02-2015, 11:12 AM	#16
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by jeanpierre So now we're going to geaux through half the season and then go on IR to do surgery that he should have had now... Jimmy is becoming a Roger Dorn... doesn't it sound so familiar, its gets repeat hit in the same shoulder in spring and dr's say surgery to get it healed, jimmy you have to understand that when you go short arming your drops for half a season can cause domino effect on your team bro. everyone seems to drop off. show us and your team the money jimmy, it works all the time, same for jr. galette and cam, and drew, jari, grubbs, colston, every starter to back ups man. that's what made it happen in 09, everyone took care of their bodies and DID THEIR JOBS. jeanpierre likes this.
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02-03-2015, 06:33 AM	#17
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,984	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Have you examined Graham yourself? What did his MRI's look like? How did you determine that it was an injury that could not heal sans surgery? Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? AG. In order. No Wouldn't know, mate I thought about and had an OPINION Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there? I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc. Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be.
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02-03-2015, 07:13 AM	#18
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat AG. In order. No Wouldn't know, mate I thought about and had an OPINION Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there? I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc. Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be. ... you should get in on the rezburna "don't denigrate me or my homies because you don't know us" discussions, . UK_WhoDat likes this.

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,984	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by SloMotion ... you should get in on the rezburna "don't denigrate me or my homies because you don't know us" discussions, . Saw that on the SB XLIX thread. I ran. Hahaha SloMotion likes this.

02-03-2015, 11:45 AM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jimmy Graham says current plan is no shoulder surgery Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat AG. In order. No Wouldn't know, mate I thought about and had an OPINION Not bloody likely. I don't do Holiday Inn Express. What is there to like? Why should is there is a neeed at the Holiday Inn Express? Did his medics stay there? I write this on a forum where opinions are accepted. Not all I state is based on facts, expertise, etc etc. Enjoy your day, Sir. That is an expression of platitude. It is not based on any facts I have of you or staying at Holiday Inn Express or wherever you were or will be. I was questioning your insistence that Graham should have surgery as stated below. Perhaps it comes from 25 years working as an analyst, but it frustrates me to see assumptions without any supporting facts at all. Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat I say, despite the risks from surgery, the current plan SHOULD BE rehab the shoulder with surgery and rest. That is against the risk of continuing, as he has done, with an injury that made him pretyy well ineffective last season. Graham came into this past season perfectly healthy. He suffered the shoulder injury in week five in the overtime win against Tampa bay. It was determined at that time that surgery was not required and playing with the shoulder was possible. That was obviously confirmed following the season. Graham shared the "fact" that surgery was not required and rest, which was not possible during the season, was all that was needed for recovery. As I mentioned before, surgery is ALWAYS the very last resort. One can fully recover from a wide range of injuries through rest followed by physical therapy.

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