Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ...

spkb25 · 03-14-2015, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Last years rookie class

Sammy Watkins
REC 65
YDS 982
AVG 15.1
TDS 6

Odel Beckham
REC 91
YDS 1,305
AVG 14.3
TDS 12 NYG

Mike Evans
REC
68
YDS 1,051
TD 12

Kelvin Benjamin
REC 73
YDS 1,008
AVG 13.8
TDS 9

Jordan Matthews
REC 67
YDS 872
AVG 13.0
TDS 8

Jarvis Landry
REC 84
YDS 758
AVG 9.0
TDS 5

John Brown
REC 48
YDS 696
AVG 14.5
TDS 5

Brandin Cooks
REC 53
YDS 550
AVG 10.4
TDS 3

Martavis Bryant
REC 26
YDS 549
AVG 21.1
TDS 8

Allen Robinson
REC 48
YDS 548
AVG 11.4
TDS 2

Donte Moncrief
REC 32
YDS 444
AVG 13.9
TDS 3

Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on.

Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards.

pretty good post!

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 11:59 AM

Great class of WRs
Maybe the greatest receiving class ever

Danno · 03-14-2015, 12:31 PM

I'd be happy with Cooper or White at 13. Both have superstar potential.

You don't draft for need, you draft BPA.

But even so, with the absence of Graham and Stills, WR has become a pretty significant need.

voodooido · 03-14-2015, 12:39 PM

I would really like to see Jaelen Strong late in the 1st or early 2nd. The kid is a stud. 2287 yards and 17 tds in 2 years on a subpar ASU.

Rugby Saint II · 03-14-2015, 01:21 PM

Our WR's have never been strong. After losing Stills and Graham I am down with drafting a WR in the first round. But I really want a G or defense with both of our first round draft picks.

Foot Stomper · 03-14-2015, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Last years rookie class

Sammy Watkins
REC 65
YDS 982
AVG 15.1
TDS 6

Odel Beckham
REC 91
YDS 1,305
AVG 14.3
TDS 12 NYG

Mike Evans
REC
68
YDS 1,051
TD 12

Kelvin Benjamin
REC 73
YDS 1,008
AVG 13.8
TDS 9

Jordan Matthews
REC 67
YDS 872
AVG 13.0
TDS 8

Jarvis Landry
REC 84
YDS 758
AVG 9.0
TDS 5

John Brown
REC 48
YDS 696
AVG 14.5
TDS 5

Brandin Cooks
REC 53
YDS 550
AVG 10.4
TDS 3

Martavis Bryant
REC 26
YDS 549
AVG 21.1
TDS 8

Allen Robinson
REC 48
YDS 548
AVG 11.4
TDS 2

Donte Moncrief
REC 32
YDS 444
AVG 13.9
TDS 3

Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on.

Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards.

Good research and post. I should edit my post above to say in the Payton era when has any rookie made a major impact - particular a WR? Colston and Reggie were rookie impacts. JG really not much his first year that I recall. Redzone was kind of strong. I guess the Mecham, Toon and other projects we draft just have me unsure if we can quickly implement rooks into the game.

woody · 03-14-2015, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by FromMNtoLASt

I keep reading on numerous fan boards about how some fans want the Saints to draft a wr at 13 or move up for one. I strongly disagree with the idea. This draft may not have guys like Amari Cooper or Kevin White in later rounds but, I do feel the class has value in later rounds for players to come in & contribute right away. Tyler Lockette, Tre McBride are a couple of examples of this.
Wanna replace Graham ? I'd love to see the Saints draft Minnesota te Maxx Williams at 31 if he's there or @ 44 (which he probably would be gone already).
Please - enough about getting a wr in the first round !!! Even Sean Payton said this is a deep draft for wrs !!!

Maxx Williams is a bad dude! He'd be an instant fan favorite.

Sarik · 03-14-2015, 03:49 PM

Yea im in the number that's completely fine with WR at 13. Heres the thing, im only interested in big, possesion type WRs with some speed as well...in other words, a true # 1. Which we dont have. Colston is clearly coming to an end. As said earlier too, these wr's are coming in & adjusting to the game at a more rapid pace we've seen im years & that could be attributed to the great class that came in last year. The thing with that is, this class could easily be just as good.

With that said, im only interested in the top 6 guys on my Board who fit that #1 mold....

Kevin White - Julio Jones like
Devante Parker - AJ Green like
Dorial Green-Beckham - Calvin Johnson like
Amari Cooper - Smoother Victor Cruz like
Jaelen Strong - faster Alshon Jeffery like
Breshaud Perriman - Dez/Alshon like

Outside of these guys i can see less production in the first year as you were concerned with, maybe with the exception of Nelson Agholor, Devin Smith, Phillip Dorsett, Tyler Lockett. But theyre more in the mold of what we have in cooks(smooth route runner/shifty speedsters who can take the top off.)

Theres my argument why id be just fine with A WR in the first. Only 4 id consider with pick 13 tho & thats:
Devante Parker
Kevin White
Amari Cooper
Dorial Green-Beckham(yes i kno we can wait maybe til 31, but we all know with out the off field issues he's a lock for the top 15. Im just looking for the saints to draft Football players who can make a difference regardless of position.)

Other than that...Defense the rest if the way! With the exception of a Guard, which i love Shaq Mason in the 5th if he falls. Had a great pro day, should check it out if you can find it.

Sarik · 03-14-2015, 03:54 PM

Sorry for the couple of "auto-corrected" words. Post was from my phone. Whodat.

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 03:58 PM

I like Beckham but imo no way will Payton think about him after so many statements of locker room issues. Also 13th is too high for a man that hasn't shown he can handle any route tree. He could be Calvin Johnson but just as easily could be Cordelle Patterson

03-14-2015, 11:55 AM	#11
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Originally Posted by lee909 Last years rookie class Sammy Watkins REC 65 YDS 982 AVG 15.1 TDS 6 Odel Beckham REC 91 YDS 1,305 AVG 14.3 TDS 12 NYG Mike Evans REC 68 YDS 1,051 TD 12 Kelvin Benjamin REC 73 YDS 1,008 AVG 13.8 TDS 9 Jordan Matthews REC 67 YDS 872 AVG 13.0 TDS 8 Jarvis Landry REC 84 YDS 758 AVG 9.0 TDS 5 John Brown REC 48 YDS 696 AVG 14.5 TDS 5 Brandin Cooks REC 53 YDS 550 AVG 10.4 TDS 3 Martavis Bryant REC 26 YDS 549 AVG 21.1 TDS 8 Allen Robinson REC 48 YDS 548 AVG 11.4 TDS 2 Donte Moncrief REC 32 YDS 444 AVG 13.9 TDS 3 Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on. Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards. pretty good post!

03-14-2015, 11:59 AM	#12
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Great class of WRs Maybe the greatest receiving class ever spkb25 likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... I'd be happy with Cooper or White at 13. Both have superstar potential. You don't draft for need, you draft BPA. But even so, with the absence of Graham and Stills, WR has become a pretty significant need. st thomas, lee909 and Sarik like this.

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03-14-2015, 01:21 PM	#15
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03-14-2015, 01:25 PM	#16
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Originally Posted by lee909 Last years rookie class Sammy Watkins REC 65 YDS 982 AVG 15.1 TDS 6 Odel Beckham REC 91 YDS 1,305 AVG 14.3 TDS 12 NYG Mike Evans REC 68 YDS 1,051 TD 12 Kelvin Benjamin REC 73 YDS 1,008 AVG 13.8 TDS 9 Jordan Matthews REC 67 YDS 872 AVG 13.0 TDS 8 Jarvis Landry REC 84 YDS 758 AVG 9.0 TDS 5 John Brown REC 48 YDS 696 AVG 14.5 TDS 5 Brandin Cooks REC 53 YDS 550 AVG 10.4 TDS 3 Martavis Bryant REC 26 YDS 549 AVG 21.1 TDS 8 Allen Robinson REC 48 YDS 548 AVG 11.4 TDS 2 Donte Moncrief REC 32 YDS 444 AVG 13.9 TDS 3 Outside of Marquise Lee and Lattimore every one of them had a really good season and a fair few started coming on stronger and stronger as the year went on. Saying that WR dont come in and perform straight away is wrong imo. They may not be top 5 receivers in the league but we see more and more that college players are ready to go. For me TE may struggle as they have more to do than WR but you give a WR some simple routes and they get you yards. Good research and post. I should edit my post above to say in the Payton era when has any rookie made a major impact - particular a WR? Colston and Reggie were rookie impacts. JG really not much his first year that I recall. Redzone was kind of strong. I guess the Mecham, Toon and other projects we draft just have me unsure if we can quickly implement rooks into the game.

03-14-2015, 03:38 PM	#17
woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Originally Posted by FromMNtoLASt I keep reading on numerous fan boards about how some fans want the Saints to draft a wr at 13 or move up for one. I strongly disagree with the idea. This draft may not have guys like Amari Cooper or Kevin White in later rounds but, I do feel the class has value in later rounds for players to come in & contribute right away. Tyler Lockette, Tre McBride are a couple of examples of this. Wanna replace Graham ? I'd love to see the Saints draft Minnesota te Maxx Williams at 31 if he's there or @ 44 (which he probably would be gone already). Please - enough about getting a wr in the first round !!! Even Sean Payton said this is a deep draft for wrs !!! Maxx Williams is a bad dude! He'd be an instant fan favorite.
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03-14-2015, 03:49 PM	#18
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Yea im in the number that's completely fine with WR at 13. Heres the thing, im only interested in big, possesion type WRs with some speed as well...in other words, a true # 1. Which we dont have. Colston is clearly coming to an end. As said earlier too, these wr's are coming in & adjusting to the game at a more rapid pace we've seen im years & that could be attributed to the great class that came in last year. The thing with that is, this class could easily be just as good. With that said, im only interested in the top 6 guys on my Board who fit that #1 mold.... Kevin White - Julio Jones like Devante Parker - AJ Green like Dorial Green-Beckham - Calvin Johnson like Amari Cooper - Smoother Victor Cruz like Jaelen Strong - faster Alshon Jeffery like Breshaud Perriman - Dez/Alshon like Outside of these guys i can see less production in the first year as you were concerned with, maybe with the exception of Nelson Agholor, Devin Smith, Phillip Dorsett, Tyler Lockett. But theyre more in the mold of what we have in cooks(smooth route runner/shifty speedsters who can take the top off.) Theres my argument why id be just fine with A WR in the first. Only 4 id consider with pick 13 tho & thats: Devante Parker Kevin White Amari Cooper Dorial Green-Beckham(yes i kno we can wait maybe til 31, but we all know with out the off field issues he's a lock for the top 15. Im just looking for the saints to draft Football players who can make a difference regardless of position.) Other than that...Defense the rest if the way! With the exception of a Guard, which i love Shaq Mason in the 5th if he falls. Had a great pro day, should check it out if you can find it. brees84 likes this.

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Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... Sorry for the couple of "auto-corrected" words. Post was from my phone. Whodat.

03-14-2015, 03:58 PM	#20
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just say NO to a Wr in the first round ... I like Beckham but imo no way will Payton think about him after so many statements of locker room issues. Also 13th is too high for a man that hasn't shown he can handle any route tree. He could be Calvin Johnson but just as easily could be Cordelle Patterson Sarik likes this.

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