papz

Oh yea one more thing, I don\'t think we have to worry about the Saints drafting a quality quarterback. If we remember we did draft Bulger in the 6th I believe? and O\'Sullivan 5-7th rounder? I don\'t recall but it was somewhere late late in the draft. It\'s just a matter of KEEPING OUR TALENT RATHER THAN LET THEM START FOR SOMEONE ELSE! Horrible decision making letting them go by our front office. If we have the balls to draft them, don\'t let them succeed somewhere else. Bulger, Delhomme, O\'Sullivan.... sigh...

saintswhodi

baronm, no argument from me. I know what Leon is and what he isn\'t, and that\'s why O am ready for a change.

papz, does Leon seem like a fiery guy to you? Not at all, never. Never happens. Joe Montana wasn\'t a fiery guy either. Worked out well for him. On Campbell and Craig, Campbell is already better than Craig, and has shown improvement year to year. That to me is a big factor as to why he will fare better in the NFL. Campbell is also better than Rohan Davey, who by the way lit the world on fire in the Europe league ala Jake Delhomme and whom New England, the best team in football, are quite confident in as their back-up. I\'ll take that.

baronm

agreed-we should have kept delhomme and traded brooks.

I don\'t think-in cambells case-it\'s a lack of intensity..i think it\'s that he has never been taught how to be a quarterback-he ran the ball in high school mostly, then when he got to college he showed an arm-but has never showed that he can be the leader of the team.

the virginia tech and alabama first half fiascos this year were directly cambell not making good decisions--we did fine when we ran the ball, just not when cambell was asked to throw it.

as one evaluator put it:

papz

Trust me I follow Davey and I know he lit the NFL Europe league apart. Saying Campbell is better is a little premature don\'t you think? He had a breakout year as a senior kind of too early to hype him up so much. Davey has proved himself not only in college but NFL Europe while Campbell only has his senior year.

Let\'s not use Montana and Campbell in the same sentence. That doesn\'t sound right. Campbell is just not a leader to me. AU was solid because of their two first round running back and outstanding defense. Like I said he has had only one great year, his senior year. I don\'t feel as if it\'s good enough to dramatically raise his draft stock. If he were to leave last year, I\'m pretty sure he wouldn\'t have even got drafted. Barring great workouts, low round pick. Hey but everyone has their views and we just feel strongly about our opinions.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

baronm

I think cambell will wow somebody in his workouts and they will pick him 3rd or 4th round..maybe higher with some of the GMs out there.

papz

Very good point baronm, I was going to state the Virginia Tech game in my opinion but I thought I was going to be bias so I didn\'t. But now since you agree, that\'s exactly how I feel and the quote from the evaluator is also what I\'m saying.

Remember his physical gifts are there, but he doesn\'t have it all together and it\'s still raw. Therefore he won\'t go high. Just like Talman Gardner we drafted in the 7th round. The guy runs a 4.4 and he\'s 6\'1 with great hands. You can\'t draft just on potential therefore he went late.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

saintswhodi

Okay papz. Let\'s get deep. I am saying Campbell as a college qb is better than Davey was as a college qb, then I said look how Davey turned out. No reason to believe since Campbell is a better college qb than Davey, he won;t develop into a good pro.

Also on Montana, you said Campbell isn\'t a fiery leader. I said Montana wasn\'t also. I didn\'t say Campbell could win or throw or lead like Montana, I said he wasn\'t a fiery leader and he turned out okay. Just making a point about fiery and not fiery leaders. I understand Jeff George to be a fiery leader, where has that gotten him?

Third, Alabama has a good D, as well as Va. Tech. But in essence, you are saying Campbell should NEVER have a bad game. Okay. Name me a college qb who has NEVER had a bad game. Campbell was pretty damn good against UGA, LSU and Tenn twice.

Also, I can name several qbs who had 1 good year in college and went first round. Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Carson Palmer, David Carr. All got put on the map cause of their senior seasons. So to say the 3rd is a stretch, well, these guys went in the first and weren\'t on undefeated teams.

Talman Gardner had many off the field problems before he was drafted. That\'s why he dropped. Randy Moss didn\'t go until the 20th pick for the same reason. And Talman ain\'t no Randy.

papz

You make very valid points and entitled to your opinions. I respect that. Just my opinion on him. Do you honestly believe he can carry a team on his shoulders? I really don\'t so therefore I don\'t consider him a 3rd rounder.

The difference is those quarterbacks you listed were HIGHLY touted and had wonderful pre-draft workouts. It\'s still premature and you could be right. If he has great workouts, I mean he definately has the talent, he might shoot up the draft boards and become a second rounder. Let\'s just wait and see... because I\'m definately not a Campbell hater. If he can do it, great for him I\'m all for it. Everyone has to start somewhere no matter where they are drafted.

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

SaintCraig

Also, I can name several qbs who had 1 good year in college and went first round. Akili Smith, Kyle Boller, Carson Palmer, David Carr. All got put on the map cause of their senior seasons. So to say the 3rd is a stretch, well, these guys went in the first and weren\'t on undefeated teams.

In responce to this point, I want to say I agree completely. When a QB has \"potential\" in college all it seems to take is one good senior year. One other point I would like to make is Campbell finally had a good OC in Auburn this year. A good QB Coach made the difference for Boller and Palmer. It is hard for a QB to have consistency when the offence as a whole doesn\'t. Campbel has had a Different OC the last 4 years. He excelled under the West Coast offence, that featured a good running game. Isn\'t that what the Saints run? I think he would be a good draft pick on the first day.

papz

I\'d put money on him not going on the first day ...or rather Saints tickets.