saintswhodi

He will go on the first day, and it better be to us. Hopefully we can acquire more picks by working out a franchise and trade for Darren Howard then we better take a shot at him.

And SaintsCraig makes good points about him having 4 different OCs in 4 years, and this year he put it together in an NFL type offense. I am loving this kid more and more.

Also papz ask youself, when has Leon put this team on his shoulders? He only seems able to blame them for his faults. Brad Johnson didn\'t have the Bucs on his shoulders. Jake didn\'t have the Panthers on his shoulders until the Superbowl, where he was outstanding. Trent Dilfer didn\'t have Baltimore on his shoulders at any point. The Steelers aren\'t on the shoulders of Ben. So I have to wonder if that really matters.

[Edited on 21/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

papz

Screw Leon dammit! LOL!

Brad Johnson went to the ProBowl... Dilfer had the best defense... Ben has a great defense... Campbell to Saints in the 3rd = poop. And look at Jake\'s stats in the superbowl...

Franchising Howard and then trading is a very good idea. At least we won\'t lose him and get no compensation like what happened with Joe Johnson.

Let\'s just wait til the draft and see where he lands. Like I said before I\'m all for him being drafted high, but I don\'t think he will. Pre-draft workouts is all I have to say. If it makes you guys feel better, I hope he proves me wrong because he does have a lot of \"potential.\"

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

All little common sense goes a long way.

CheramieIII

We don\'t need another AB look alike.

mutineer10

I don\'t like Jason Campbell. Sure, he had a nice season this year, but does anyone remember how he looked just last year? Even my friends who are Auburn fans were cursing him at every turn.

He simply falls apart under pressure, much like our buddy AB. This year, Auburn managed to find a way to reduce the pressure put on him - largely by finally utilizing their RB talent and allowing Campbell to make quick, short passes - and he responded with his first solid season.

He indeed has posted a few nice stat lines, but we\'ve all agreed (when discussing AB) that stats don\'t necessarily make the man. Campbell\'s a screw-up ... I\'d rather see how that Kingsbury kid develops...

saintswhodi

We normally agree mutey, but I have to disagree on this one. If anything the kid grew up this year. And if he is AB without the attitude and bone-headed plays, why wouldn\'t we want that? Instant upgrade. 4 different OCs and offeensive philosophies will doom anyone. In the majority of the big games, he showed up, unlike Leon. I think the kid has a definite future and would love to see it be here.

mutineer10

Yeah whodi, it was about time we disagreed again.

There\'s just something about JC that makes me leary of him, and I think it\'s simply a hangup. I know he had a great season this year - and I\'m willing to accept that as growing up - but I just remember how awful he looked in 2003. Granted, that had much to do with the lack of protection and the failure to utilize the strengths of Auburn\'s offense (the RB\'s, most obviously), but he really didn\'t handle pressure well prior to the 2004 season. Al Bourgis was a godsend to Campbell\'s career, as we\'d not even be talking about JC if Auburn hadn\'t hired him before this season.

It\'s tough to knock a QB who went 13-0, especially when that QB is in the SEC. I\'m willing to give JC a chance, just don\'t want to reach too high for him. I wouldn\'t draft him before round 4. His one good season simply wasn\'t enough to make me forget his earlier fiascos.

I\'ll also acknowledge that JC kept his job in spite of 4 different OC\'s in his college days ... a stunning accomplishment. At least it\'s certain he was the best QB on the plains the last 4 years. And as a Crimson Tide fan, I can\'t deny that JC\'s posted an impressive record against us.

I\'m absolutely willing to give JC a chance, I\'m simply afraid he won\'t make it. A 3rd round pick seems a little high to me...

saintswhodi

I hear what you are saying, but look at his career stats. Even with the ever changing offensive philosophies, he still ALWAYS completed over 60% of his passes, and this year it was close to 70. That is huge. As I pointed out earlier, many qbs who have been drafted FIRST ROUND used excellent senior seasons to attain that status. Main example is Kyle Boller, but I gave a few others. I will agree he appears to be in AB\'s mold, but even in the big games I didn\'t see him make the stupid mistakes. I am just looking for a qb who will minimize mistakes and run the offense, I am not looking for Vick or Manning or McNabb. We don\'t have that right now anyway, I just don\'t see from what I saw out of Campbell how it could be WORSE.

papz

Although he you don\'t see him making mistakes, like I said before, nor could he carry his team on his shoulders. 4th - 5th rounder is the best bet. My sentiments exactly mutineer10.

saintswhodi

Show me when the qb we have has carried this team on his shoulders. Then show me when Delhomme did it other than the Superbowl. Then show me when Bard Johnson and Trent Dilfer did it. Notice a trend? You don\'t need a qb qith the team on his shoulders, basically you need a qb who avoids the dumb mistakes and does his job. The qb we have fails on both fronts. I have yet to see this from Campbell. So as teams recently have won superbowls with less than dominant qbs, that carry a team on his shoulders deal carries no weight for me.

FireVenturi

Fitzpatrick from Harvard is a better pick than Cambell...much better!