Blowing up some arguments

GumboBC · 01-25-2005, 02:39 PM

Gator --

Do I want change? Yes, I do.

I really don\'t have that much of a problem replacing Haslett and the entire coaching staff. I just can\'t say for sure that\'s going to fix the problems.

The obvious problems to me are LT and RT on the offensive line.

Then at MLB and DT on the defense.

All of those are the most pressing needs to me.

You\'re right, SOMEONE is responsible for not putting the talent in place. Is that all Haslett\'s fault? I don\'t know.

Maybe Benson didn\'t want to spend the money in free-agency??

Maybe Loomis played a hand in getting some of the talent here?

Like I\'ve said, I\'m not saying anyone is wrong with wanting Haslett, Venturi, McCarthy, or Brooks gone.

And I\'m not saying they\'re right either.

I just think there\'s a good posibility we can win with Haslett, McCarthy and Brooks here.

I really feel Venturi needs to go. Even with the improvement with the defense over the last 4-games, I still feel we would be better off with someone else.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-25-2005, 02:40 PM

..the only thing that really surprises me about this whole thread, is that whodi never mentioned the Seahawks being the team with the most dropped passes in the league, still made the playoffs... other than that. :rollinglaugh:

[Edited on 25/1/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

saintswhodi · 01-25-2005, 02:49 PM

Please Gumbo, go ahead and list the talent for those teams for me. I\'ll list who they didn\'t have. Rams went without Kyle Turley all year ont he line, then his backup got hurt. The only halfway decent player on the line was Pace. Sorry, i\'ll take our line over that. I\'ll take Horn, Stallworth and Pathon over Holt, Bruce, and Curtis. I\'ll take Conwell and Boo over Manamaleuna or whatever. I\'ll take our secondary over theirs, our lbs over theirs and definitely our d-line over theirs. But I will take their qb over ours.

Next, the Seahawks? League leaders in drops? Robinson with a 4 game drug suspension and main ball dropper who is worse than Stallworth? Okay. I\'ll take their line over ours but i\'ll take our receivers over their. RBs i\'ll call it a wash. TEs i\'ll take ours over theirs. D-line definitely ours by fay. LBs them, secondary is a wash. So about even. But i\'ll take their qb over ours.

Delhomme, no steve smith, no stephen davis, no deshaun foster, no kris jenkins, several injuries on the line. The team they had out of games for the season could beat us. So YES they had less talent than us this year. I\'ll take Delhomme over our qb though,

Chiefs, no Pritest Holmes. Their line definitely over ours. Our receivers by far over theirs. Tony G at TE over ours. Our rbs over blaylock and Johnson. Our secondary over theirs, our d-line by far over theirs, LBs maybe a wash. But I will take their qb over ours. So yes I think we have as much as if not more talent in our team as those teams. Easily. But I will take all their qbs over ours. See, easy.

[Edited on 25/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

saintswhodi · 01-25-2005, 02:50 PM

Tobias, the Seahawks were not part of my original argument, but I got them in the next post cause Billy brought them up. He set himself up for that one. Gimme time buddy. He keeps setting them up, I keep knocking them down.

GumboBC · 01-25-2005, 03:00 PM

Okay, saintwhodi.

Brooks is a \"cancer\" who is killing this team.

The rest of the players don\'t like Brooks and don\'t want to play with him.

Brooks doesn\'t care if the team wins or loses. He\'s only concerned with his stats.

Brooks makes the O-line look worse than what it is.

Brooks inability to score in the first quarter makes our defense worse than what it is.

Brooks has no leadership and that\'s why we have all the presnap penalties and that\'s why the receivers drop so many passes.

Brooks is the reason McCarthy\'s game plan doesn\'t work too.

Brooks playing injured that one year is why we didn\'t win ONE game that would have sent us to the playoffs. He was so selfish he wouldn\'t pull himself out of the game.

Brooks gets our receivers killed because he constantly throws the ball too high.

Happy?

Now all you got to do is convince everyone else and maybe you\'ll be happy?

Carry on, brother.... :P :P

saintswhodi · 01-25-2005, 03:36 PM

I\'m just gald you finally came around. This was getting too easy.

But of course, the \"I have no way to counter your argument so I will just be sarcastic cause I have run out of responses\" approach works out sometimes too. Let me know how that works for you. You can\'t beat facts with specualtion and conjecture, never works. But you try hard, i\'ll give you that.

RDOX · 01-25-2005, 04:37 PM

I\'m just gald you finally came around. This was getting too easy.

But of course, the \"I have no way to counter your argument so I will just be sarcastic cause I have run out of responses\" approach works out sometimes too. Let me know how that works for you. You can\'t beat facts with specualtion and conjecture, never works. But you try hard, i\'ll give you that.

I think that there is a huge problem. As I have read these threads for about 6 months now I have seen a pattern emerge. I have seen the problem and Gumbo is it. There are some people who just like to argue for argument\'s sake, and he seems to be one of those folks. I have watched WhoDat, JoeSam, Halo, You, Tobias, Gatorman, and myself make some point only to read some reply that contridicts what we say, but also contridicts Gumbo\'s own reply in another thread. Therefore, it has occured to me that Gumbo doesn\'t really have an opinion of his own, rather he has an opinion that is going to be constantly contrary to yours, whatever that opinion is. Therein, we get into these long circular arguments about what should transpire in the Saints organization.

I enjoy reading these threads, but I am going to refuse to be sucked into the circular argument game. Have a ball playing it Gumbo, I personally quit. Have a nice day.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-25-2005, 04:40 PM

Tobias, the Seahawks were not part of my original argument, but I got them in the next post cause Billy brought them up. He set himself up for that one. Gimme time buddy. He keeps setting them up, I keep knocking them down.

I knew I could count on you, brother

saintswhodi · 01-25-2005, 04:42 PM

Ya know RDOX, you weren\'t the first person to say that, and Gumbo has admitted himself he likes stirring the point and getting under some older members\' skins. You are right and are making a good call. I will follow your lead.

GumboBC · 01-25-2005, 04:54 PM

RDOX--

So, in other words, you\'re only going to respond to folks who agree with you. Cool with me.

But it\'s gotta get old for some of you folks to constantly keep talking about the same things over and over.

How long can you guys talk about Brooks and the coaching staff. There\'s much more blame to go around.

01-25-2005, 02:39 PM	#51
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Blowing up some arguments Gator -- Do I want change? Yes, I do. I really don\'t have that much of a problem replacing Haslett and the entire coaching staff. I just can\'t say for sure that\'s going to fix the problems. The obvious problems to me are LT and RT on the offensive line. Then at MLB and DT on the defense. All of those are the most pressing needs to me. You\'re right, SOMEONE is responsible for not putting the talent in place. Is that all Haslett\'s fault? I don\'t know. Maybe Benson didn\'t want to spend the money in free-agency?? Maybe Loomis played a hand in getting some of the talent here? Like I\'ve said, I\'m not saying anyone is wrong with wanting Haslett, Venturi, McCarthy, or Brooks gone. And I\'m not saying they\'re right either. I just think there\'s a good posibility we can win with Haslett, McCarthy and Brooks here. I really feel Venturi needs to go. Even with the improvement with the defense over the last 4-games, I still feel we would be better off with someone else.
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01-25-2005, 02:40 PM	#52
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Blowing up some arguments ..the only thing that really surprises me about this whole thread, is that whodi never mentioned the Seahawks being the team with the most dropped passes in the league, still made the playoffs... other than that. :rollinglaugh: [Edited on 25/1/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

01-25-2005, 02:49 PM	#53
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Blowing up some arguments Please Gumbo, go ahead and list the talent for those teams for me. I\'ll list who they didn\'t have. Rams went without Kyle Turley all year ont he line, then his backup got hurt. The only halfway decent player on the line was Pace. Sorry, i\'ll take our line over that. I\'ll take Horn, Stallworth and Pathon over Holt, Bruce, and Curtis. I\'ll take Conwell and Boo over Manamaleuna or whatever. I\'ll take our secondary over theirs, our lbs over theirs and definitely our d-line over theirs. But I will take their qb over ours. Next, the Seahawks? League leaders in drops? Robinson with a 4 game drug suspension and main ball dropper who is worse than Stallworth? Okay. I\'ll take their line over ours but i\'ll take our receivers over their. RBs i\'ll call it a wash. TEs i\'ll take ours over theirs. D-line definitely ours by fay. LBs them, secondary is a wash. So about even. But i\'ll take their qb over ours. Delhomme, no steve smith, no stephen davis, no deshaun foster, no kris jenkins, several injuries on the line. The team they had out of games for the season could beat us. So YES they had less talent than us this year. I\'ll take Delhomme over our qb though, Chiefs, no Pritest Holmes. Their line definitely over ours. Our receivers by far over theirs. Tony G at TE over ours. Our rbs over blaylock and Johnson. Our secondary over theirs, our d-line by far over theirs, LBs maybe a wash. But I will take their qb over ours. So yes I think we have as much as if not more talent in our team as those teams. Easily. But I will take all their qbs over ours. See, easy. [Edited on 25/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

01-25-2005, 02:50 PM	#54
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Blowing up some arguments Tobias, the Seahawks were not part of my original argument, but I got them in the next post cause Billy brought them up. He set himself up for that one. Gimme time buddy. He keeps setting them up, I keep knocking them down.

01-25-2005, 03:00 PM	#55
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Blowing up some arguments Okay, saintwhodi. Brooks is a \"cancer\" who is killing this team. The rest of the players don\'t like Brooks and don\'t want to play with him. Brooks doesn\'t care if the team wins or loses. He\'s only concerned with his stats. Brooks makes the O-line look worse than what it is. Brooks inability to score in the first quarter makes our defense worse than what it is. Brooks has no leadership and that\'s why we have all the presnap penalties and that\'s why the receivers drop so many passes. Brooks is the reason McCarthy\'s game plan doesn\'t work too. Brooks playing injured that one year is why we didn\'t win ONE game that would have sent us to the playoffs. He was so selfish he wouldn\'t pull himself out of the game. Brooks gets our receivers killed because he constantly throws the ball too high. Happy? Now all you got to do is convince everyone else and maybe you\'ll be happy? Carry on, brother.... :P :P
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01-25-2005, 03:36 PM	#56
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Blowing up some arguments I\'m just gald you finally came around. This was getting too easy. But of course, the \"I have no way to counter your argument so I will just be sarcastic cause I have run out of responses\" approach works out sometimes too. Let me know how that works for you. You can\'t beat facts with specualtion and conjecture, never works. But you try hard, i\'ll give you that.

01-25-2005, 04:37 PM	#57
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Blowing up some arguments I\'m just gald you finally came around. This was getting too easy. But of course, the \"I have no way to counter your argument so I will just be sarcastic cause I have run out of responses\" approach works out sometimes too. Let me know how that works for you. You can\'t beat facts with specualtion and conjecture, never works. But you try hard, i\'ll give you that. I think that there is a huge problem. As I have read these threads for about 6 months now I have seen a pattern emerge. I have seen the problem and Gumbo is it. There are some people who just like to argue for argument\'s sake, and he seems to be one of those folks. I have watched WhoDat, JoeSam, Halo, You, Tobias, Gatorman, and myself make some point only to read some reply that contridicts what we say, but also contridicts Gumbo\'s own reply in another thread. Therefore, it has occured to me that Gumbo doesn\'t really have an opinion of his own, rather he has an opinion that is going to be constantly contrary to yours, whatever that opinion is. Therein, we get into these long circular arguments about what should transpire in the Saints organization. I enjoy reading these threads, but I am going to refuse to be sucked into the circular argument game. Have a ball playing it Gumbo, I personally quit. Have a nice day.
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01-25-2005, 04:40 PM	#58
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Blowing up some arguments Tobias, the Seahawks were not part of my original argument, but I got them in the next post cause Billy brought them up. He set himself up for that one. Gimme time buddy. He keeps setting them up, I keep knocking them down. I knew I could count on you, brother

01-25-2005, 04:42 PM	#59
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Blowing up some arguments Ya know RDOX, you weren\'t the first person to say that, and Gumbo has admitted himself he likes stirring the point and getting under some older members\' skins. You are right and are making a good call. I will follow your lead.

01-25-2005, 04:54 PM	#60
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Blowing up some arguments RDOX-- So, in other words, you\'re only going to respond to folks who agree with you. Cool with me. But it\'s gotta get old for some of you folks to constantly keep talking about the same things over and over. How long can you guys talk about Brooks and the coaching staff. There\'s much more blame to go around.
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