From the front page article here.

saintswhodi · 01-24-2005, 01:14 PM

Rumor Whirlwind

Sources are reporting that several members of the Saints organization are quietly beginning to question whether or not Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks has reached the pinnacle of his career and is now on a downslide. In past years even with Brooks inconsistency through the air, supporters could always point to his threat as a scrambler as a benefit to him remaining as a starter. However, since the 2001 season Aaron BrooksÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ yards per carry have dropped off year after year and finished at a career low of 3.0 yards a carry this season. This combined with an inconsistent season for the quarterback and the controversies during the course of the year with fellow players, along with those now coming at yearÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s end, several sources report that many in the organization feel as if now would be the best time to try and get what they can for the quarterback. At 28, it is tough to say that Brooks is over the hill; however, he appears to be losing mobility and with his regression this season, the doubts are surfacing. While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics. While no trades have been officially discussed, sources say that the team wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be opposed to listening to offers. Any possible deals that would be discussed would then depend on two things. The first would be if the Saints would get what they consider is the correct value for him and secondly it would depend on if the team could find a suitable replacement for him. Haslett and company donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t have the time to nurture a young quarterback along and need a veteran in there. While you may see them try to develop a young quarterback, the team would be more likely to hold onto Brooks for the next year or two if they were not able to find a suitable replacement for him. While this is a very long shot, it is something that should be kept in mind.

Anybody wanna bash them?

Danno · 01-24-2005, 01:35 PM

Hmmm, interesting. And with the rumors of Trestman (16 year veteran QB Coach and OC), I smell a move to bring in a veteran.

Having a 16 year veteran as your QB coach would make the transition to a new guy much easier.

Maybe this is what Haz meant when he demanded \"some changes need to be made\".

We need a new identity.

saintswhodi · 01-24-2005, 01:39 PM

If Haz IS making that demand, and Brooks going is a part of that demand, or them trying to get something for him while they bring in a vet, I will retract at least 50% of the negative comments I have said about Haz. That would be bold and would be a move towards a new identity.

saintfan · 01-24-2005, 01:40 PM

Maybe they can get Bill Parcells to let go of Vinny T...

LOL

ScottyRo · 01-24-2005, 01:40 PM

This would have been a great article if not for the following comment:

While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics.

So, when did trying to catchup to the opposition\'s score constitute pading stats? Now, if we were ahead by 20 and he was still throwing for a ton of yards, I could see it. It hasn\'t been settled for me that getting behind early was his fault more than the OC\'s or the Ds. Lastly, this statement takes a negative connotation and completely ignores the positive. (I know, you\'re saying: What positive?) That is that AB is capable of putting up big yards even when the opposition is expecting it.

Before you bash me, understand this. If they can find a viable replacement and a rookie to groom, I\'m all for trading him.

Danno · 01-24-2005, 01:46 PM

This would have been a great article if not for the following comment:

While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics.

So, when did trying to catchup to the opposition\'s score constitute pading stats? Now, if we were ahead by 20 and he was still throwing for a ton of yards, I could see it. It hasn\'t been settled for me that getting behind early was his fault more than the OC\'s or the Ds. Lastly, this statement takes a negative connotation and completely ignores the positive. (I know, you\'re saying: What positive?) That is that AB is capable of putting up big yards even when the opposition is expecting it.

Before you bash me, understand this. If they can find a viable replacement and a rookie to groom, I\'m all for trading him.

I agree, sort of. I also find it odd that if was all stat padding, why is Joe Horn going to the pro-bowl? He\'s the main beneficiary of all that stat padding.
And if its all catch-up then any handoff to Deuce should result in a big play, since the other team is hanging back. Was Deuce even worse than we thought? Is Joe Horn over-rated?

But again, the complaints are about the wrong side of the ball.

[Edited on 24/1/2005 by Danno cause he can\'t type worth a crap]

[Edited on 24/1/2005 by Danno]

saintswhodi · 01-24-2005, 02:15 PM

I think they see it as stat padding because generally when your TEAM(gonna do this without assigning specific blame) fails to score in the first quarter of almost EVERY game, you are generally gonna find yourself behind or in a dogfight for an entire game. I am willing to bet that if we looked at a breakdown of AB\'s stats, the majority of the yards and TDs come in the second half while the majority of the INTs, bad plays, incompletions, come in the first half. Maybe that\'s what they went on. But with AB, who knows, it could be the complete opposite, but I doubt it.

LKelley67 · 01-24-2005, 02:25 PM

jeff blake will be a free agent ROFLMAO now that would be irony... blake with a frye, orton, or walter in training. blake goes down with injury and youngster leads saints to 2nd playoff victory.

seriously, wouldn\'t it be cool just to get rid of AB\'s contract. i dunno what it is for next year but it was $36mil for 6 yrs. just to get rid of that would free up some mulah to bid on a hasslebeck or holcomb. send him back to green bay from whence he came. heck, the browns would probably like to get rid of garcia as much. i could hack his goofiness as a different face straight across. oh, my franchised howard for franchised brees trade too.

man o man it doesn\'t take much to keep the spark of hope alive does it? LOL

FireVenturi · 01-24-2005, 10:11 PM

The only way i would be in favor of getting rid of AB would be for Hasselback, but not for Kitna, Warner, or Holcomb :casstet:

01-24-2005, 01:14 PM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	From the front page article here. Rumor Whirlwind Sources are reporting that several members of the Saints organization are quietly beginning to question whether or not Saints quarterback Aaron Brooks has reached the pinnacle of his career and is now on a downslide. In past years even with Brooks inconsistency through the air, supporters could always point to his threat as a scrambler as a benefit to him remaining as a starter. However, since the 2001 season Aaron BrooksÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ yards per carry have dropped off year after year and finished at a career low of 3.0 yards a carry this season. This combined with an inconsistent season for the quarterback and the controversies during the course of the year with fellow players, along with those now coming at yearÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s end, several sources report that many in the organization feel as if now would be the best time to try and get what they can for the quarterback. At 28, it is tough to say that Brooks is over the hill; however, he appears to be losing mobility and with his regression this season, the doubts are surfacing. While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics. While no trades have been officially discussed, sources say that the team wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t be opposed to listening to offers. Any possible deals that would be discussed would then depend on two things. The first would be if the Saints would get what they consider is the correct value for him and secondly it would depend on if the team could find a suitable replacement for him. Haslett and company donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t have the time to nurture a young quarterback along and need a veteran in there. While you may see them try to develop a young quarterback, the team would be more likely to hold onto Brooks for the next year or two if they were not able to find a suitable replacement for him. While this is a very long shot, it is something that should be kept in mind. Anybody wanna bash them?

01-24-2005, 01:35 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	From the front page article here. Hmmm, interesting. And with the rumors of Trestman (16 year veteran QB Coach and OC), I smell a move to bring in a veteran. Having a 16 year veteran as your QB coach would make the transition to a new guy much easier. Maybe this is what Haz meant when he demanded \"some changes need to be made\". We need a new identity.

01-24-2005, 01:39 PM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	From the front page article here. If Haz IS making that demand, and Brooks going is a part of that demand, or them trying to get something for him while they bring in a vet, I will retract at least 50% of the negative comments I have said about Haz. That would be bold and would be a move towards a new identity.

01-24-2005, 01:40 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	From the front page article here. Maybe they can get Bill Parcells to let go of Vinny T... LOL

01-24-2005, 01:40 PM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	From the front page article here. This would have been a great article if not for the following comment: While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics. So, when did trying to catchup to the opposition\'s score constitute pading stats? Now, if we were ahead by 20 and he was still throwing for a ton of yards, I could see it. It hasn\'t been settled for me that getting behind early was his fault more than the OC\'s or the Ds. Lastly, this statement takes a negative connotation and completely ignores the positive. (I know, you\'re saying: What positive?) That is that AB is capable of putting up big yards even when the opposition is expecting it. Before you bash me, understand this. If they can find a viable replacement and a rookie to groom, I\'m all for trading him.

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01-24-2005, 01:46 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	From the front page article here. This would have been a great article if not for the following comment: While Brooks did put up a nice amount of passing yards this season, many would add that much of those yards came when the game was already decided or out of reach for the Saints, allowing Brooks to pad his statistics. So, when did trying to catchup to the opposition\'s score constitute pading stats? Now, if we were ahead by 20 and he was still throwing for a ton of yards, I could see it. It hasn\'t been settled for me that getting behind early was his fault more than the OC\'s or the Ds. Lastly, this statement takes a negative connotation and completely ignores the positive. (I know, you\'re saying: What positive?) That is that AB is capable of putting up big yards even when the opposition is expecting it. Before you bash me, understand this. If they can find a viable replacement and a rookie to groom, I\'m all for trading him. I agree, sort of. I also find it odd that if was all stat padding, why is Joe Horn going to the pro-bowl? He\'s the main beneficiary of all that stat padding. And if its all catch-up then any handoff to Deuce should result in a big play, since the other team is hanging back. Was Deuce even worse than we thought? Is Joe Horn over-rated? But again, the complaints are about the wrong side of the ball. [Edited on 24/1/2005 by Danno cause he can\'t type worth a crap] [Edited on 24/1/2005 by Danno]

01-24-2005, 02:15 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	From the front page article here. I think they see it as stat padding because generally when your TEAM(gonna do this without assigning specific blame) fails to score in the first quarter of almost EVERY game, you are generally gonna find yourself behind or in a dogfight for an entire game. I am willing to bet that if we looked at a breakdown of AB\'s stats, the majority of the yards and TDs come in the second half while the majority of the INTs, bad plays, incompletions, come in the first half. Maybe that\'s what they went on. But with AB, who knows, it could be the complete opposite, but I doubt it.

01-24-2005, 02:25 PM	#8
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	From the front page article here. jeff blake will be a free agent ROFLMAO now that would be irony... blake with a frye, orton, or walter in training. blake goes down with injury and youngster leads saints to 2nd playoff victory. seriously, wouldn\'t it be cool just to get rid of AB\'s contract. i dunno what it is for next year but it was $36mil for 6 yrs. just to get rid of that would free up some mulah to bid on a hasslebeck or holcomb. send him back to green bay from whence he came. heck, the browns would probably like to get rid of garcia as much. i could hack his goofiness as a different face straight across. oh, my franchised howard for franchised brees trade too. man o man it doesn\'t take much to keep the spark of hope alive does it? LOL

01-24-2005, 10:11 PM	#9
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	From the front page article here. The only way i would be in favor of getting rid of AB would be for Hasselback, but not for Kitna, Warner, or Holcomb :casstet: