Pease drops hammer on Sullivan

GumboBC · 01-24-2005, 09:16 PM

JKool--

Deuce would indeed benifit from better blocking, better game plan, etc...

However, all of that won\'t help his fumbling. In the last couple of years Deuce ranks in the top 5 in fumbles per carry.

It also won\'t help his injuries. The last couple of years Deuce has gotten hurt. Year before last injuries really limited Deuce in the last few games and the running game really suffered.

This year Deuce was hurt for the better part of the season. He couldn\'t make any cuts to speak of and it really hurt the running game.

A fast race car is great. As long as it runs right.

saintswhodi · 01-24-2005, 09:23 PM

Hey Danno, I wasn\'t taking a shot at any specific players, but there are some who have ridden the wave of \"only playoff victory\" too long. As well as a coach. I know very well you don\'t ignore anyone who is a problem. I hope you stay that way cause it is honest.

Danno · 01-24-2005, 09:26 PM

A 1000 yard back isn\'t a problem.

I persaonally think he absolutely is. Especially if going into the season he was considered by some outsiders as a top 2 or 3 player (not just RB)in the league.

If LaDanian Tomlinson got fat, started fumbling, admitted quitting, got injured (again), and only gained 1000 yards, I call that a problem. The best player on a team should be held to a higher standard than simply average. Which is what he was this year.

FireVenturi · 01-24-2005, 10:03 PM

We\'ll be fine, just got to have faith. Sullivan loses weight and becomes NFL\'s comeback player of the year. Wishful thinking isn\'t it?

Hope Pease doesn\'t have to buy him lunch everyday

fact-o-bake · 01-25-2005, 11:19 AM

Yeah, I think that Deuce should not be the only player guaranteed a starting position in camp this year, like he was last year. Not that we\'ll have any real competition for him, but just to try and keep him motivated. Deuce is a great running back who did not have a great season. But I think a lot of that is due to us falling behind in the first quarter of every game, the retarded two tight end set we never let die (despite having a killer fullback), and Deuce coming back much too early from his injury (despite better than expected play from Stecker).

fact-o-bake · 01-25-2005, 11:24 AM

The person most affected by the likely departure of offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy is QB Aaron Brooks. McCarthy served as a security blanket for the embattled Brooks throughout his tenure in New Orleans. McCarthy was the coach responsible for coaxing the 2000 trade with Green Bay for Brooks and was a loyal supporter. A new coordinator likely won\'t be as willing to forgive Brooks for his faults. At the same time, Brooks also might have to adapt to a new offensive system after playing in McCarthy\'s West Coast scheme for the past five seasons. For that reason, it\'s a big offseason for Brooks, who finished the 2004 season on a high note with a big win at Carolina..

Can you imagine how long it will take Brooks to learn a new system? Maybe it would be best if McCarthy takes Brooks with him wherever he goes. You can\'t teach a dumb dog new tricks.

saintswhodi · 01-25-2005, 11:31 AM

Can you imagine how long it will take Brooks to learn a new system? Maybe it would be best if McCarthy takes Brooks with him wherever he goes. You can\'t teach a dumb dog new tricks.

The scary part is, I can imagine. It has been 5 years, and he hasn\'t mastered THIS one. So maybe when he is 37 like Rich Gannon was, he will take us to the Superbowl then everyone who supported him can say the others were wrong. Just think, possibly only 9 more years. :casstet:

[Edited on 25/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

saintfan · 01-25-2005, 11:32 AM

If LaDanian Tomlinson got fat, started fumbling, admitted quitting, got injured (again), and only gained 1000 yards, I call that a problem.

OR, you could blame it on the QB. Perhaps the QB infected him and turned him into a quitter. :casstet:

JKool · 01-25-2005, 11:41 AM

Gumbo and Danno,

I\'m agreeing that Duece did not have the season he could have. My point was this - (1) he still had a 1000 yards, lots of teams would pray for that from their back, and (2) you are using the word problem in an awfully strange way. I said all this above.

GumboBC · 01-25-2005, 12:33 PM

Gumbo and Danno,

I\'m agreeing that Duece did not have the season he could have. My point was this - (1) he still had a 1000 yards, lots of teams would pray for that from their back, and (2) you are using the word problem in an awfully strange way. I said all this above.

Let me see if I can explain my point, JKool...

Just about every team in the NFL had a 1,000 yard runningback.

Even Emmit Smith rushed for 937-yards.

A thousand yard season is average today!!

Rudy Johnson rushed for 1454 yards.

In fact, there were 15 runningbacks who rushed for more yards than Deuce.

Curtis Martin
Shaun Alexander
Corey Dillon
Edgerrin James
Tiki Barber
Rudi Johnson
LaDainian Tomlinson
Clinton Portis
Reuben Droughns
Fred Taylor
Domanick Davis
Ahman Green
Kevin Jones
Willis McGahee
Warrick Dunn

But I\'m NOT blaming everything on Deuce. A lot of the running problems were due to Deuce being injured and poor blocking by the pathetic O-line.

All I\'m saying is the PRODUCTION from the running game was a PROBLEM!!

I place a BIG part of the offensive problems on the poor prodction in the running game. No matter whose fault it was, the lack of production in the running game cost us BIG TIME!!

vs. Seattle: 57 yards.
vs. 49\'ers: 1 yard.
vs. Rams: DID NOT PLAY.
vs. Arizona DID NOT PLAY

IN THE FIRST 4 GAMES DEUCE GAINED A TOTAL OF 58-YARDS!!

vs. Chargers: 63 yards
vs. Denver: 42 yards
vs. Panthers: 22 yards
vs. Dallas: 83 yards
vs. Tampa: 89 yards

Simply put, in over half the games the production wasn\'t there in the running game.

I think that\'s HUGE?

What about you guys? What do you think?

01-24-2005, 09:16 PM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan JKool-- Deuce would indeed benifit from better blocking, better game plan, etc... However, all of that won\'t help his fumbling. In the last couple of years Deuce ranks in the top 5 in fumbles per carry. It also won\'t help his injuries. The last couple of years Deuce has gotten hurt. Year before last injuries really limited Deuce in the last few games and the running game really suffered. This year Deuce was hurt for the better part of the season. He couldn\'t make any cuts to speak of and it really hurt the running game. A fast race car is great. As long as it runs right.
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01-24-2005, 09:23 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan Hey Danno, I wasn\'t taking a shot at any specific players, but there are some who have ridden the wave of \"only playoff victory\" too long. As well as a coach. I know very well you don\'t ignore anyone who is a problem. I hope you stay that way cause it is honest.

01-24-2005, 09:26 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan A 1000 yard back isn\'t a problem. I persaonally think he absolutely is. Especially if going into the season he was considered by some outsiders as a top 2 or 3 player (not just RB)in the league. If LaDanian Tomlinson got fat, started fumbling, admitted quitting, got injured (again), and only gained 1000 yards, I call that a problem. The best player on a team should be held to a higher standard than simply average. Which is what he was this year.

01-24-2005, 10:03 PM	#14
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan We\'ll be fine, just got to have faith. Sullivan loses weight and becomes NFL\'s comeback player of the year. Wishful thinking isn\'t it? Hope Pease doesn\'t have to buy him lunch everyday

01-25-2005, 11:19 AM	#15
fact-o-bake 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 136	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan Yeah, I think that Deuce should not be the only player guaranteed a starting position in camp this year, like he was last year. Not that we\'ll have any real competition for him, but just to try and keep him motivated. Deuce is a great running back who did not have a great season. But I think a lot of that is due to us falling behind in the first quarter of every game, the retarded two tight end set we never let die (despite having a killer fullback), and Deuce coming back much too early from his injury (despite better than expected play from Stecker).
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01-25-2005, 11:24 AM	#16
fact-o-bake 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 136	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan The person most affected by the likely departure of offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy is QB Aaron Brooks. McCarthy served as a security blanket for the embattled Brooks throughout his tenure in New Orleans. McCarthy was the coach responsible for coaxing the 2000 trade with Green Bay for Brooks and was a loyal supporter. A new coordinator likely won\'t be as willing to forgive Brooks for his faults. At the same time, Brooks also might have to adapt to a new offensive system after playing in McCarthy\'s West Coast scheme for the past five seasons. For that reason, it\'s a big offseason for Brooks, who finished the 2004 season on a high note with a big win at Carolina.. Can you imagine how long it will take Brooks to learn a new system? Maybe it would be best if McCarthy takes Brooks with him wherever he goes. You can\'t teach a dumb dog new tricks.
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01-25-2005, 11:31 AM	#17
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan Can you imagine how long it will take Brooks to learn a new system? Maybe it would be best if McCarthy takes Brooks with him wherever he goes. You can\'t teach a dumb dog new tricks. The scary part is, I can imagine. It has been 5 years, and he hasn\'t mastered THIS one. So maybe when he is 37 like Rich Gannon was, he will take us to the Superbowl then everyone who supported him can say the others were wrong. Just think, possibly only 9 more years. :casstet: [Edited on 25/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

01-25-2005, 11:32 AM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan If LaDanian Tomlinson got fat, started fumbling, admitted quitting, got injured (again), and only gained 1000 yards, I call that a problem. OR, you could blame it on the QB. Perhaps the QB infected him and turned him into a quitter. :casstet:

01-25-2005, 11:41 AM	#19
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan Gumbo and Danno, I\'m agreeing that Duece did not have the season he could have. My point was this - (1) he still had a 1000 yards, lots of teams would pray for that from their back, and (2) you are using the word problem in an awfully strange way. I said all this above.

01-25-2005, 12:33 PM	#20
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Pease drops hammer on Sullivan Gumbo and Danno, I\'m agreeing that Duece did not have the season he could have. My point was this - (1) he still had a 1000 yards, lots of teams would pray for that from their back, and (2) you are using the word problem in an awfully strange way. I said all this above. Let me see if I can explain my point, JKool... Just about every team in the NFL had a 1,000 yard runningback. Even Emmit Smith rushed for 937-yards. A thousand yard season is average today!! Rudy Johnson rushed for 1454 yards. In fact, there were 15 runningbacks who rushed for more yards than Deuce. Curtis Martin Shaun Alexander Corey Dillon Edgerrin James Tiki Barber Rudi Johnson LaDainian Tomlinson Clinton Portis Reuben Droughns Fred Taylor Domanick Davis Ahman Green Kevin Jones Willis McGahee Warrick Dunn But I\'m NOT blaming everything on Deuce. A lot of the running problems were due to Deuce being injured and poor blocking by the pathetic O-line. All I\'m saying is the PRODUCTION from the running game was a PROBLEM!! I place a BIG part of the offensive problems on the poor prodction in the running game. No matter whose fault it was, the lack of production in the running game cost us BIG TIME!! vs. Seattle: 57 yards. vs. 49\'ers: 1 yard. vs. Rams: DID NOT PLAY. vs. Arizona DID NOT PLAY IN THE FIRST 4 GAMES DEUCE GAINED A TOTAL OF 58-YARDS!! vs. Chargers: 63 yards vs. Denver: 42 yards vs. Panthers: 22 yards vs. Dallas: 83 yards vs. Tampa: 89 yards Simply put, in over half the games the production wasn\'t there in the running game. I think that\'s HUGE? What about you guys? What do you think?
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