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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I say we get fred smoot for the cornerback positon draft davis as a safety and if we can grab johnson or one of the top linebakers with our first--we need a playmaking linebacker that can give us depth, we ...
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01-27-2005, 11:14 AM | #51 |
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We need LBs, Ts, DT, and S.
I say we get fred smoot for the cornerback positon draft davis as a safety and if we can grab johnson or one of the top linebakers with our first--we need a playmaking linebacker that can give us depth, we need a safety that can hit and cover, and we need a cornerback--fred smoot in FA, draft lb and safety early..focus the rest of our picks on o line, backupqb and backup rb.
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01-27-2005, 11:23 AM | #52 |
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Danno, I think I remember you pointing out Watson\'s weight to me before - I\'ve always respected your view when it comes to player knowledge. What I meant was, and I should have said it better, is that he plays small. He backs up, he doesn\'t stick guys that often (he is a solid tackler though), and he\'s not so good at blowing up blocks. So, I guess we agree - he needs to be stronger (which is all that I meant). Good to point that out though, it was my fault for not saying what I meant very clearly.
T-R, nice point about Grant. I suggested around mid-season that we employ a defense that allows him to rush more often (where he has less gap responsibility), what do you think about that? Also, I had never really considered the 2TEs as as help for the Ts. I don\'t think that is true, as Gandy is a true LT, and was considered a very fine replacement for Roaf by many in the industry when we got him. He\'s just getting older. However, your suggestion is an interesting one - I\'ll consider further. baronm, I couldn\'t agree more! A CB and a playmaker LB would improve our defense a good deal. I still am not convince that we NEED a Safety. IMO Tebucky isn\'t that bad (not great mind you), and Mitchell still has a chance to be good (though little evidence is forthcoming for that). |
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01-27-2005, 11:54 AM | #53 |
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01-27-2005, 01:28 PM | #54 |
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I think the positions to upgrade that would impact this defense the most are... 1. SLB. I dont care how good Allen played down the stretch, the way he played the 1st half is enought to convince me we need help. 2. WLB. A Rookie 7th rounder claimed this spot by seasons end. Enough said. If they decide to move Watson here replace WLB with MLB. 3. DT. A solid 2-gap DT would allow Young to do what he does best. Shoot his gap and disrupt the backfield. He doesn\'t have to be the high-dollar stat guy, just a good run stuffing gap clogger. 4. FS. A ball hawking FS would be the icing on the cake if 1 thru 3 are done. Our CB\'s are solid enough and I think between Mitchell and Bellamy the need at SS falls below FS for now. 5. SS. Bellamy is aging, and Mitchell is still a relative unknown. I\'d like to see anouther youngster brought in to compete with Mitchell. 6.CB. The final piece of the puzzle and the last position I\'d address on defense. Another young CB to start grooming would be nice though. |
01-27-2005, 02:00 PM | #55 |
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\'\'He is bigger than Jones and Bellamy, as fast as Jones, and tackles better than both of them. How can you prove that?...How do you know how well he can tackle..He has never started at Safety..and getting the big hits is much easier on Special teams...(and he hasn\'t had a whole lot of those either)..It is just not enough evidence to say how well he can play..because..you\'ve never seen him play...other than Pre Season..and Special teams...he has done nothing...and certainly not enough to even begin to compare to Harrison... |
01-27-2005, 02:23 PM | #56 |
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Danno.
We agree on the first three on your list, definitely! The difference among acquiring a FS, SS, or CB, to me is pretty negligible. Bellamy would be ok if he didn\'t lose a beat, which he will. Tebucky, IMO, is not that bad - not great, but not bad. After McKenzie, do you really think we are ok at CB? I guess, I\'m not taht confident that Brown or Thomas is better than Tebucky, Bellamy, or Mitchell. This puts CB higer up than S for me, BUT ONLY MARGINALLY. I think we\'re pretty close on this one. In this thread, I was merely noting that a CB would improve our defense (of course, I suppose a Safety would too), when combined with a good LB. What do you think about Colby? I don\'t really have much of an opinion myself. IMO he is better than Allen, and probably as good as Rodgers. That doesn\'t really inspire confidence. He does have heart though, and with some strength training he has the right size, right? |
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01-27-2005, 02:39 PM | #57 |
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That\'s kind of the point I was trying to get at...
We need a top 3 player..from whichever position they choose to draft.. LB is pretty much out of the question...Johnson is not going to be there..and Brooks went back to college..chances are slim we would get the sort of guy we would need to constitue spending a 1st round pick on in this position... Cb\'s go much faster then Safety in the Draft..and while we may be able to get a top 7?..maybe ...I think we would be much better suited getting the number 1 Safety...and instantly improving a very neglected spot... If we can\'t get a top 3 safety..we need a top 3 corner..I said that before..and I stand by it..I would be very pleased to see us land Jamaal Brimmer...not only is he one of the very best Safeties in the draft..he is one of the Best Defensive players in the Draft...and we have a very good chance of getting him..without having to trade up or anything like that It would be an excellent pick..then..we still have the 2nd round picks..and the possibility of trading Howard, either in the draft..or somwhere in between... |
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He\'s got the size, speed and smarts, he just needs to get NFL strong. I think he was the kid who chased down Vick in the 1st game. |
01-27-2005, 04:24 PM | #59 |
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I\'ve said enough already, go back and look at everything. Then take notes and see what I\'ve said and have not. Then stop contradicting yourself about low rounders with tons of talent. It\'s people like you who would draft Terrell Davis in the 6th round and cut him the year after. LOL what a funny guy, you crack me up. I can name HUNDREDS of players who were picked in the lower rounds, and when given the chance, they proved to be PROBOWL CALIBER PLAYERS. You obviously are a negative thinking type of person who can\'t see talent when it slaps you in the face.
One thing I can agree with you on is getting a top 3 player for whatever position... wait... but isn\'t that obvious? We do have a first round pick and OBVIOUSLY whoever we pick there has that type of talent... IT\'S THE FIRST ROUND and IT\'S THE 16th PICK. [Edited on 27/1/2005 by papz] |
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01-28-2005, 12:42 AM | #60 |
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..Gandy has been somewhat solid, no Willie Roaf, but solid... I just don\'t see why the 2 TE set if you don\'t really use the TEs in the passing game... maybe I\'m over-rationalizing the whole thing, I don\'t know... |
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