Saints 23, Tampa 20

Danno · 04-21-2015, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride.

If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

Who is we?

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who is we?

The same WE you have in this post:

Originally Posted by Danno

We could get a #1 player at 13, then perhaps the #1 MLB at 31, and the #1 TE at 44.

What's your point?

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2015, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride.

If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win.

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win.

I understand the mentality I just don't agree with how strategic it is.

The Dude · 04-26-2015, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players.

We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted.

Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest.

Now that Brees is older I sure hope Payton will start pulling him out once the game is out of hand. When we are up 3 scores with 3 minutes left and a decent running game there is no reason for him to be out there. Same thing when we have already lost. No reason to save face by putting the face of the franchise at risk.

RaginCajun83 · 04-21-2015, 03:57 PM

Well that's on their stupid coaching staff not the Saints and yes the Succs were a crappy team, "you are what your record says you are"

Beastmode · 04-21-2015, 04:18 PM

And look at the teams that get high draft picks every year, we use to be one of them. The Raiders and Browns have been taking primo picks for what a decade now. Not really working out for them. That's one thing I like though about the NBA. The lottery prevents teams from going Bucs style.

dizzle88 · 04-21-2015, 04:46 PM

Top ten picks do not determine successful franchises

Look at the rams, browns, bucs, jaguars and raiders

They are guaranteed top 5 picks for at least the last 5 years and besides the browns last year, have nothing to show for it.

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2015, 05:01 PM

Payton looked at the gimme' from Tampa as a better looking record. When history judges you sometimes wins and looses matter.

On the other hand Lovie Smith had nothing to lose by losing the game. He got better draft picks because of it. The Bucs are looking to make an impact with this draft and they are selecting at a good place to find talent. We are still picking where our record determined our place in this years draft.......fairly high.

I will go on record as saying I was all for pulling the starters and evaluating the back ups better with some film on them. Payton wanted a better record and he got it. Some fans feel the price was too high. But.......

saintsfan1976 · 04-21-2015, 05:22 PM

Those with quitting attitudes have been jettisoned from the Saints franchise.

Maybe we should adopt a new rule here.

04-21-2015, 04:43 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Danno Who is we? The same WE you have in this post: Originally Posted by Danno We could get a #1 player at 13, then perhaps the #1 MLB at 31, and the #1 TE at 44. What's your point? SloMotion likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,572	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride. If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head. Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win. jnormand likes this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win. I understand the mentality I just don't agree with how strategic it is.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold When you play for nothing, and winning is detrimental to the future of the team you sit your players. We are the real losers of the Tampa game. Tampa worked us until the 4th qtr, proved to themselves they could win if they wanted it then pulled their players and just ran it up the gut 3 downs and punted. Everyone would be pissed if Brees got injured playing in a meaningless game yet no one cares winning that game might have cost us Beasley or Shelton. Instead we are hoping someone drops, shortsighted thinking at it's finest. Now that Brees is older I sure hope Payton will start pulling him out once the game is out of hand. When we are up 3 scores with 3 minutes left and a decent running game there is no reason for him to be out there. Same thing when we have already lost. No reason to save face by putting the face of the franchise at risk. Jankman8 likes this.
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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Well that's on their stupid coaching staff not the Saints and yes the Succs were a crappy team, "you are what your record says you are"

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride. If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head. Who is we? Tobias-Reiper likes this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 And look at the teams that get high draft picks every year, we use to be one of them. The Raiders and Browns have been taking primo picks for what a decade now. Not really working out for them. That's one thing I like though about the NBA. The lottery prevents teams from going Bucs style. jnormand, B_Dub_Saint and dizzle88 like this.
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Top ten picks do not determine successful franchises Look at the rams, browns, bucs, jaguars and raiders They are guaranteed top 5 picks for at least the last 5 years and besides the browns last year, have nothing to show for it.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Payton looked at the gimme' from Tampa as a better looking record. When history judges you sometimes wins and looses matter. On the other hand Lovie Smith had nothing to lose by losing the game. He got better draft picks because of it. The Bucs are looking to make an impact with this draft and they are selecting at a good place to find talent. We are still picking where our record determined our place in this years draft.......fairly high. I will go on record as saying I was all for pulling the starters and evaluating the back ups better with some film on them. Payton wanted a better record and he got it. Some fans feel the price was too high. But.......
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