Saints 23, Tampa 20

Danno · 04-21-2015, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride.

If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

Who is we?

AsylumGuido · 04-21-2015, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride.

If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head.

Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win.

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Who is we?

The same WE you have in this post:

Originally Posted by Danno

We could get a #1 player at 13, then perhaps the #1 MLB at 31, and the #1 TE at 44.

What's your point?

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win.

I understand the mentality I just don't agree with how strategic it is.

TwistedTiger · 04-21-2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

I'd rather they win and loose 8 spots in a crap shoot than lie down to a crappy team

Exactly! You play to win and the let chips fall where they may.

dizzle88 · 04-21-2015, 04:46 PM

Top ten picks do not determine successful franchises

Look at the rams, browns, bucs, jaguars and raiders

They are guaranteed top 5 picks for at least the last 5 years and besides the browns last year, have nothing to show for it.

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2015, 05:01 PM

Payton looked at the gimme' from Tampa as a better looking record. When history judges you sometimes wins and looses matter.

On the other hand Lovie Smith had nothing to lose by losing the game. He got better draft picks because of it. The Bucs are looking to make an impact with this draft and they are selecting at a good place to find talent. We are still picking where our record determined our place in this years draft.......fairly high.

I will go on record as saying I was all for pulling the starters and evaluating the back ups better with some film on them. Payton wanted a better record and he got it. Some fans feel the price was too high. But.......

saintsfan1976 · 04-21-2015, 05:22 PM

Those with quitting attitudes have been jettisoned from the Saints franchise.

Maybe we should adopt a new rule here.

blackangold · 04-21-2015, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Those with quitting attitudes have been jettisoned from the Saints franchise.

Maybe we should adopt a new rule here.

Lol.

Football should be played like chess not checkers.

I for one am glad people don't always agree. If everyone agreed this would be a boring forum.

Winning tge game had no tangible effect on the team while losing would have. It also would have been a great time to try out sjb and powell.

SmashMouth · 04-21-2015, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wouldn't every win account for that drop?

Depends from your vantage point. From the comfort of your armchair and 20/20 hindsight, there are two possibilities. If you have those crystal ball abilities, an argument could be made that yes, indeed, every win accounts for that drop. That would mean that SP knew what his won/loss record was going to be... which is of course preposterous. So the second possibility is much more plausible in that the whole world knew within a spot or two what the outcome of that game would represent, win or lose, , including SP. So we went for the win, as we should have, and used the opportunity to evaluate talent for the hard decisions after the season and the cap decisions right before the draft. And we slip a few spots in the draft. Draft position sure has not bothered BB too much over the years. Saints just have not been as good as they should have recently.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride. If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head. Who is we? Tobias-Reiper likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by blackangold We were losers, I don't recall the saints having a winning record last year. We should have been thinking about the draft and we are even bigger losers because we weren't. I understand the opposing point of view but it's a lack of foresight because of pride. If Brees went down and never recovered, yet we won, would you care? I doubt it, and everyone would be calling for Payton's head. Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win. jnormand likes this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Danno Who is we? The same WE you have in this post: Originally Posted by Danno We could get a #1 player at 13, then perhaps the #1 MLB at 31, and the #1 TE at 44. What's your point? SloMotion likes this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Losing is an attitude, not the players on the field. Once a franchise goes into the lose to get a better pick mode they have given up. Screw that. Any player can go down any game. That means nothing. I want to win. I understand the mentality I just don't agree with how strategic it is.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Those with quitting attitudes have been jettisoned from the Saints franchise. Maybe we should adopt a new rule here. Lol. Football should be played like chess not checkers. I for one am glad people don't always agree. If everyone agreed this would be a boring forum. Winning tge game had no tangible effect on the team while losing would have. It also would have been a great time to try out sjb and powell.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints 23, Tampa 20 Originally Posted by Danno Wouldn't every win account for that drop? Depends from your vantage point. From the comfort of your armchair and 20/20 hindsight, there are two possibilities. If you have those crystal ball abilities, an argument could be made that yes, indeed, every win accounts for that drop. That would mean that SP knew what his won/loss record was going to be... which is of course preposterous. So the second possibility is much more plausible in that the whole world knew within a spot or two what the outcome of that game would represent, win or lose, , including SP. So we went for the win, as we should have, and used the opportunity to evaluate talent for the hard decisions after the season and the cap decisions right before the draft. And we slip a few spots in the draft. Draft position sure has not bothered BB too much over the years. Saints just have not been as good as they should have recently.

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