Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony!

|Mitch| · 05-04-2015, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Every year some teams win the draft super bowl....not the real one

That is the total opposite of what we did this year; drafted smart, good character, solid players...

burningmetal · 05-04-2015, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Not before they get on the field; I keep an open mind and want to see them play before I say anything. Because I unlike others understand that even though there may not be much to analyze scouts/coaches have a lot more means to do the analyzing than the few games on tv/youtube us fans have.

Somehow I don't believe you on never doubting a move before they played on the field, but I'll just take your word on it for now. These players may not have played for the Saints yet, but we have seen them play. We're not exactly predicting what a baby is gonna do when he/she grows up.

You can watch hundreds of hours of film if you want to. That's when you start to over analyze. What's available for the general public is plenty enough. it's hard to find a game that is not on tv. And if it's on tv, then you can find replays and watch every play. I don't dispute that scouts watch more film than I do, and some of them are very good at what they do. But some over analyze and make huge mistakes on players. I see nothing malicious in pointing that out.

burningmetal · 05-04-2015, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

That is the total opposite of what we did this year; drafted smart, good character, solid players...

You do realize by that statement you have just "judged" every single player in this class without them playing for us yet?

|Mitch| · 05-04-2015, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What's available for the general public is plenty enough. it's hard to find a game that is not on tv. And if it's on tv, then you can find replays and watch every play. I don't dispute that scouts watch more film than I do, and some of them are very good at what they do. But some over analyze and make huge mistakes on players. I see nothing malicious in pointing that out.

If that was the case, then why would the scouts/coaches even bother with interviewing or holding private workouts, going to pro days, etc...

Wouldn't it be a lot easier just sitting in the office watching the tv games and youtube?

Just remember to err is human nature. I'm not one to think that I can scout and draft better than those who have done it for years and been around the best in doing it

|Mitch| · 05-04-2015, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You do realize by that statement you have just "judged" every single player in this class without them playing for us yet?

You do realize they are until they show me otherwise on or off the field?

in essence, innocent until proven guilty

or you can call me an optimist rather than a negativist

burningmetal · 05-04-2015, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

If that was the case, then why would the scouts/coaches even bother with interviewing or holding private workouts, going to pro days, etc...

Wouldn't it be a lot easier just sitting in the office watching the tv games and youtube?

Just remember to err is human nature. I'm not one to think that I can scout and draft better than those who have done it for years and been around the best in doing it

I'm talking film specific. Interviews are about trying to get to know the guy. How well does that work out? Are they gonna out themselves in an interview? You can get character references from a lot of sources. These guys, as hard as they may try, do not live very private lives.

I don't think I know everything, and I don't even claim to know more than the Saints do about this player. But I know enough to have the opinion that they reached. Sometimes teams go with a gut feeling on a player they he has the ability to fit better and grow more than another player even if he doesn't have a first round grade. That's where reaches happen. Maybe they end up being right. Or maybe they aren't. We'll see, but I simply don't agree with it.

burningmetal · 05-04-2015, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You do realize they are until they show me otherwise on or off the field?

in essence, innocent until proven guilty

or you can call me an optimist rather than a negativist

And, in essence, so am I. My case in point. If I can't say it's a reach, then you can't say it isn't.

I believe the word you were looking for was pessimist. And yes, you can call yourself an optimist if you want. And you can call me a pessimist. Only that wouldn't be true. I don't disagree with every decision, only some.

I call it like I see it. It's easy to say something after the fact, but where is the fun in that discussion?

|Mitch| · 05-04-2015, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And, in essence, so am I. My case in point.

I believe the word you were looking for was pessimist.

negativist is a noun = one who exhibits negativism... I "think" I used it correctly

burningmetal · 05-04-2015, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

negativist is a noun = one who exhibits negativism... I "think" I used it correctly

I'm glad you think you're smart. I know negativist is a word. Pessimist was the more fitting word of what you seem to think of people like me who have doubts about certain things. I "think" you should "think" before attempting a jab.

You had no response for my point above, so you try the bully tactic. Nice... This isn't junior high, however.

|Mitch| · 05-04-2015, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm glad you think you're smart. I know negativist is a word. Pessimist was the more fitting word of what you seem to think of people like me who have doubts about certain things. I "think" you should "think" before attempting a jab.

You had no response for my point above, so you try the bully tactic. Nice... This isn't junior high, however.

bully tactic? defensive much? As for your point I never said one way or the other whether Anthony was a reach, that was you. My whole point was that we as fans do not have the same means to know what is going on during the draft that the people in charge do.

05-04-2015, 08:56 PM	#81
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by spkb25 Every year some teams win the draft super bowl....not the real one That is the total opposite of what we did this year; drafted smart, good character, solid players...

05-04-2015, 08:58 PM	#82
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Not before they get on the field; I keep an open mind and want to see them play before I say anything. Because I unlike others understand that even though there may not be much to analyze scouts/coaches have a lot more means to do the analyzing than the few games on tv/youtube us fans have. Somehow I don't believe you on never doubting a move before they played on the field, but I'll just take your word on it for now. These players may not have played for the Saints yet, but we have seen them play. We're not exactly predicting what a baby is gonna do when he/she grows up. You can watch hundreds of hours of film if you want to. That's when you start to over analyze. What's available for the general public is plenty enough. it's hard to find a game that is not on tv. And if it's on tv, then you can find replays and watch every play. I don't dispute that scouts watch more film than I do, and some of them are very good at what they do. But some over analyze and make huge mistakes on players. I see nothing malicious in pointing that out.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-04-2015, 09:00 PM	#83
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| That is the total opposite of what we did this year; drafted smart, good character, solid players... You do realize by that statement you have just "judged" every single player in this class without them playing for us yet?

05-04-2015, 09:03 PM	#84
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by burningmetal What's available for the general public is plenty enough. it's hard to find a game that is not on tv. And if it's on tv, then you can find replays and watch every play. I don't dispute that scouts watch more film than I do, and some of them are very good at what they do. But some over analyze and make huge mistakes on players. I see nothing malicious in pointing that out. If that was the case, then why would the scouts/coaches even bother with interviewing or holding private workouts, going to pro days, etc... Wouldn't it be a lot easier just sitting in the office watching the tv games and youtube? Just remember to err is human nature. I'm not one to think that I can scout and draft better than those who have done it for years and been around the best in doing it

05-04-2015, 09:05 PM	#85
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by burningmetal You do realize by that statement you have just "judged" every single player in this class without them playing for us yet? You do realize they are until they show me otherwise on or off the field? in essence, innocent until proven guilty or you can call me an optimist rather than a negativist
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05-04-2015, 09:09 PM	#86
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| If that was the case, then why would the scouts/coaches even bother with interviewing or holding private workouts, going to pro days, etc... Wouldn't it be a lot easier just sitting in the office watching the tv games and youtube? Just remember to err is human nature. I'm not one to think that I can scout and draft better than those who have done it for years and been around the best in doing it I'm talking film specific. Interviews are about trying to get to know the guy. How well does that work out? Are they gonna out themselves in an interview? You can get character references from a lot of sources. These guys, as hard as they may try, do not live very private lives. I don't think I know everything, and I don't even claim to know more than the Saints do about this player. But I know enough to have the opinion that they reached. Sometimes teams go with a gut feeling on a player they he has the ability to fit better and grow more than another player even if he doesn't have a first round grade. That's where reaches happen. Maybe they end up being right. Or maybe they aren't. We'll see, but I simply don't agree with it.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-04-2015, 09:13 PM	#87
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You do realize they are until they show me otherwise on or off the field? in essence, innocent until proven guilty or you can call me an optimist rather than a negativist And, in essence, so am I. My case in point. If I can't say it's a reach, then you can't say it isn't. I believe the word you were looking for was pessimist. And yes, you can call yourself an optimist if you want. And you can call me a pessimist. Only that wouldn't be true. I don't disagree with every decision, only some. I call it like I see it. It's easy to say something after the fact, but where is the fun in that discussion?

05-04-2015, 09:21 PM	#88
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by burningmetal And, in essence, so am I. My case in point. I believe the word you were looking for was pessimist. negativist is a noun = one who exhibits negativism... I "think" I used it correctly

05-04-2015, 09:28 PM	#89
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| negativist is a noun = one who exhibits negativism... I "think" I used it correctly I'm glad you think you're smart. I know negativist is a word. Pessimist was the more fitting word of what you seem to think of people like me who have doubts about certain things. I "think" you should "think" before attempting a jab. You had no response for my point above, so you try the bully tactic. Nice... This isn't junior high, however.

05-04-2015, 09:36 PM	#90
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Bottom Line: Jimmy Graham for Max Unger & Stephon Anthony! Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm glad you think you're smart. I know negativist is a word. Pessimist was the more fitting word of what you seem to think of people like me who have doubts about certain things. I "think" you should "think" before attempting a jab. You had no response for my point above, so you try the bully tactic. Nice... This isn't junior high, however. bully tactic? defensive much? As for your point I never said one way or the other whether Anthony was a reach, that was you. My whole point was that we as fans do not have the same means to know what is going on during the draft that the people in charge do.

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