What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread?

GumboBC · 01-28-2005, 05:45 PM

But sooner or later the \"Leon\" reference will get tossed in or one of those other silly comments and no good discussion will come of this thread. [/quote:978f004470]

If you knew that going in, then why start the thread to begin with. Hasn\'t this horse been beaten enough. There are those of us that think enough is enough, and the only way that he, and not you, is going to shut us up is to stop making underhand passes that get intercepted for TD\'s, stop throwing backwards to linemen, stop having butterfingers, stop killing drives in the red zone, and bring us back to the playoffs. All the positive talk in the offseason is just that...talk. Most of us are in favor of positive production, and not a bunch of promises from die-hard Brooks fans that fade into oblivion by the end of the season. [/quote:978f004470]

Here we go....

I don\'t care how many times you call him Leon. And I don\'t care what else you say about Brooks.

Doesn\'t bother me in the least. And, guess what? It doesn\'t affect my paycheck or my life.

It\'s just that foolish comments are just that.... FOOLISH!!

Just because folks are going to make foolish comments about Brooks isn\'t going to keep me from talking about Brooks.

Now, if you have any thing to add to the topic, please do so.

Cause I\'m done defending WHY I talk about Brooks.

If you disagree.... that\'s fine.

Saint_LB · 01-28-2005, 05:50 PM

Personally, I think you are just into starting threads, and the more responses, the better. Since a lot of your more recent threads seemed to die before they got very far off the launching pad, then you decided that maybe it is time to go back to the AB card. That is the last thing I will say regarding this topic, because you don\'t really care if somebody agrees or disagrees, you just want responses....so, no more from me.

ScottyRo · 01-28-2005, 05:53 PM

It\'s threads like these that really makes me shake my head at you people. I find it very difficult to believe that so many of you can honestly talk in absolutes about Brooks like you do.

For those of you thinking he needs to leave YESTERDAY, what is it about his STATS that makes you believe that a minor adjustment to his game-management or leadership skills wont turn him into a winner? He does put up good stats and at times seems dominant. How can you be so sure that he\'ll never mature into a great starter ala Rich Gannon (albeit only for a short time). (btw, saying he wont and then his actually not doing it doesn\'t make you a great prognosticator. It\'s a 50-50 question and being right one way or the other isn\'t all that impressive.)

For those of you thinking he\'s the QB of the future, what is it about his bumbling that makes you believe he can do anymore than just post stats? You\'ve seen other QBs put together lesser seasons stats-wise but seem to carry their teams to wins. Doesn\'t brooks seem to lack that \"gamer\" mentality or is missing the \"it\" factor?

My point is that there are a lot of questions surrounding AB. Nobody can say with absolute certainty that he will or will not lead this team to the playoffs in \'05. Certainly there is room for discussion as to the best way to deal with this unknown, i.e., Should we trade him or should we keep him?

I just wonder how so many people can be so adamant that they are right about him even though there are so many questions and possibilities.

GumboBC · 01-28-2005, 05:59 PM

It\'s threads like these that really makes me shake my head at you people. I find it very difficult to believe that so many of you can honestly talk in absolutes about Brooks like you do.

For those of you thinking he needs to leave YESTERDAY, what is it about his STATS that makes you believe that a minor adjustment to his game-management or leadership skills wont turn him into a winner? He does put up good stats and at times seems dominant. How can you be so sure that he\'ll never mature into a great starter ala Rich Gannon (albeit only for a short time). (btw, saying he wont and then his actually not doing it doesn\'t make you a great prognosticator. It\'s a 50-50 question and being right one way or the other isn\'t all that impressive.)

For those of you thinking he\'s the QB of the future, what is it about his bumbling that makes you believe he can do anymore than just post stats? You\'ve seen other QBs put together lesser seasons stats-wise but seem to carry their teams to wins. Doesn\'t brooks seem to lack that \"gamer\" mentality or is missing the \"it\" factor?

My point is that there are a lot of questions surrounding AB. Nobody can say with absolute certainty that he will or will not lead this team to the playoffs in \'05. Certainly there is room for discussion as to the best way to deal with this unknown, i.e., Should we trade him or should we keep him?

I just wonder how so many people can be so adamant that they are right about him even though there are so many questions and possibilities.

Scotty is right. While I do beleive in Brooks, I don\'t know he can get it done. And there are questions in my mind if he will ever have that season I want him to.

Simply put, I\'m not sold that Brooks WILL get it done.

I used to be and I still have MUCH faith in Brooks.

I have NO problem with those who criticize Brooks. NONE!

As far as I\'m concerned, it\'s all open to discussion when it comes to Brooks. That wasn\'t always the case with me.

I\'ve learned. Took a while but I learned.

[Edited on 28/1/2005 by GumboBC]

mutineer10 · 01-28-2005, 09:02 PM

And that is this thread will quickly start to deteorate just as soon as some folks read it...

Well, that didn\'t take long, did it ... ?

I suppose your definition of deterioate is to disagree

Indeed ... I think we\'re all seeing the light ...

But sooner or later the \"Leon\" reference will get tossed in or one of those other silly comments and no good discussion will come of this thread.

Aww Billy, you gotta admit it\'s pretty funny...

\"Let\'s face it ... Leon can\'t do everything ...\"

Cause I\'m done defending WHY I talk about Brooks.

LOL ... we\'ll see about that ...

I used to be and I still have MUCH faith in Brooks

Oops, think you messed that up already ...

:P

LKelley67 · 01-28-2005, 10:41 PM

after the budweiser commercials i actually found the leon take quite hilarious, no vendetta. i do think he is an incredible mixed bag- world of talent never reaching potential, overall average, some moments of brilliance but just as many looking like a complete bust. i do think the odds are we will be stuck with him for another season and i will hope for the best. but it is only that, hope, no faith, no confidence. since the season ended what has lured me into dreaming or hoping he might be gone is the money. for 6mil and more yrs of commitment i think if we cannot do better, more than just hope, we wont do worse with less money to a hasslebeck or holcombe type. personally i preferred the days of solid defense with a ho-hum qb like hebert. after the debacle of the defense this past year coupled with the schizophrentic offense with so much potential and such erratic performance, consistency would be welcome. i\'m tired of the end season flourishes or flop roller coaster rides. i think the ravens are the antithesis: boring consistent offense with top D. no playoffs either. i just like the odds of having defensive strength. and we ain\'t even talking that here, just get to midrange/average D and minus AB there is still enough fire power with a journeyman to contend. 2 cents.

[Edited on 29/1/2005 by LKelley67]

TheJudge · 01-28-2005, 11:45 PM

5. I\'m positive we better have a QB just as good as AB if we do let him walk

well, according to brooks\' ego there is no qb better than him...

and there is no chance of him running since you have got to have some courage to run, no happy feet like ol jim everett....

Joe_Buddens · 01-29-2005, 02:41 AM

That\'s a strange comment. AB has plenty of courage to run. I saw it in the Cards\' game when he tried to run it in from around 15 yards out and got POPPED when he got to the goal line. He knew he was gonna take a big hit. Also in the 2nd Tampa game. We wouldn\'t have won that game if it weren\'t for his running. I think the reason he doesn\'t take off as much as he did in 2000 is because of the lame West Coast style offense that McCarthy tried to implement. That and he probably invests alot of faith in his receivers. But the receiving corps have argueably been the most inconsistent aspect of this team for the past 4 seasons, so that faith may be misplaced.

mutineer10 · 01-29-2005, 07:43 AM

i just like the odds of having defensive strength. and we ain\'t even talking that here, just get to midrange/average D and minus AB there is still enough fire power with a journeyman to contend. 2 cents.

I\'ve been carping about that for months, too. I\'d like us to pick up a reliable journeyman and spend the money we\'d recoup by dealing AB on defense and the O-line.

But the \"well, who are we gonna get if we deal Brooks\" crowd ain\'t hearing it. No matter who you mention - especially a journeyman-type (Kitna, Dilfer & Maddox are some usual suspects) - they\'re gonna bash, or simply ignore, it.

Sadly, Brooks isn\'t really better than most any journeyman we could pick up. He\'s just more expensive. Why not deal him while he\'s still young (and great, according to him) and save a little cash to build elsewhere?

Seems rational enough to me...

:shrug:

saintswhodi · 01-29-2005, 10:44 AM

Beyond rational mutey. But some are still waiting for the bulb to click on for this dim-wit\'s talent, and it ain\'t happening. We could get one of those qbs for half what AB makes and get the same results. I don\'t see how that is bad. But when AB says he is great, I guess he gets people to believe that. Ship the bum, spend the money elsewhere, draft a young qb to sit for a year.

01-28-2005, 05:45 PM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? But sooner or later the \"Leon\" reference will get tossed in or one of those other silly comments and no good discussion will come of this thread. [/quote:978f004470] If you knew that going in, then why start the thread to begin with. Hasn\'t this horse been beaten enough. There are those of us that think enough is enough, and the only way that he, and not you, is going to shut us up is to stop making underhand passes that get intercepted for TD\'s, stop throwing backwards to linemen, stop having butterfingers, stop killing drives in the red zone, and bring us back to the playoffs. All the positive talk in the offseason is just that...talk. Most of us are in favor of positive production, and not a bunch of promises from die-hard Brooks fans that fade into oblivion by the end of the season. [/quote:978f004470] Here we go.... I don\'t care how many times you call him Leon. And I don\'t care what else you say about Brooks. Doesn\'t bother me in the least. And, guess what? It doesn\'t affect my paycheck or my life. It\'s just that foolish comments are just that.... FOOLISH!! Just because folks are going to make foolish comments about Brooks isn\'t going to keep me from talking about Brooks. Now, if you have any thing to add to the topic, please do so. Cause I\'m done defending WHY I talk about Brooks. If you disagree.... that\'s fine.
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01-28-2005, 05:50 PM	#12
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? Personally, I think you are just into starting threads, and the more responses, the better. Since a lot of your more recent threads seemed to die before they got very far off the launching pad, then you decided that maybe it is time to go back to the AB card. That is the last thing I will say regarding this topic, because you don\'t really care if somebody agrees or disagrees, you just want responses....so, no more from me.
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01-28-2005, 05:53 PM	#13
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? It\'s threads like these that really makes me shake my head at you people. I find it very difficult to believe that so many of you can honestly talk in absolutes about Brooks like you do. For those of you thinking he needs to leave YESTERDAY, what is it about his STATS that makes you believe that a minor adjustment to his game-management or leadership skills wont turn him into a winner? He does put up good stats and at times seems dominant. How can you be so sure that he\'ll never mature into a great starter ala Rich Gannon (albeit only for a short time). (btw, saying he wont and then his actually not doing it doesn\'t make you a great prognosticator. It\'s a 50-50 question and being right one way or the other isn\'t all that impressive.) For those of you thinking he\'s the QB of the future, what is it about his bumbling that makes you believe he can do anymore than just post stats? You\'ve seen other QBs put together lesser seasons stats-wise but seem to carry their teams to wins. Doesn\'t brooks seem to lack that \"gamer\" mentality or is missing the \"it\" factor? My point is that there are a lot of questions surrounding AB. Nobody can say with absolute certainty that he will or will not lead this team to the playoffs in \'05. Certainly there is room for discussion as to the best way to deal with this unknown, i.e., Should we trade him or should we keep him? I just wonder how so many people can be so adamant that they are right about him even though there are so many questions and possibilities.

01-28-2005, 05:59 PM	#14
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? It\'s threads like these that really makes me shake my head at you people. I find it very difficult to believe that so many of you can honestly talk in absolutes about Brooks like you do. For those of you thinking he needs to leave YESTERDAY, what is it about his STATS that makes you believe that a minor adjustment to his game-management or leadership skills wont turn him into a winner? He does put up good stats and at times seems dominant. How can you be so sure that he\'ll never mature into a great starter ala Rich Gannon (albeit only for a short time). (btw, saying he wont and then his actually not doing it doesn\'t make you a great prognosticator. It\'s a 50-50 question and being right one way or the other isn\'t all that impressive.) For those of you thinking he\'s the QB of the future, what is it about his bumbling that makes you believe he can do anymore than just post stats? You\'ve seen other QBs put together lesser seasons stats-wise but seem to carry their teams to wins. Doesn\'t brooks seem to lack that \"gamer\" mentality or is missing the \"it\" factor? My point is that there are a lot of questions surrounding AB. Nobody can say with absolute certainty that he will or will not lead this team to the playoffs in \'05. Certainly there is room for discussion as to the best way to deal with this unknown, i.e., Should we trade him or should we keep him? I just wonder how so many people can be so adamant that they are right about him even though there are so many questions and possibilities. Scotty is right. While I do beleive in Brooks, I don\'t know he can get it done. And there are questions in my mind if he will ever have that season I want him to. Simply put, I\'m not sold that Brooks WILL get it done. I used to be and I still have MUCH faith in Brooks. I have NO problem with those who criticize Brooks. NONE! As far as I\'m concerned, it\'s all open to discussion when it comes to Brooks. That wasn\'t always the case with me. I\'ve learned. Took a while but I learned. [Edited on 28/1/2005 by GumboBC]
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01-28-2005, 09:02 PM	#15
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? And that is this thread will quickly start to deteorate just as soon as some folks read it... Well, that didn\'t take long, did it ... ? I suppose your definition of deterioate is to disagree Indeed ... I think we\'re all seeing the light ... But sooner or later the \"Leon\" reference will get tossed in or one of those other silly comments and no good discussion will come of this thread. Aww Billy, you gotta admit it\'s pretty funny... \"Let\'s face it ... Leon can\'t do everything ...\" Cause I\'m done defending WHY I talk about Brooks. LOL ... we\'ll see about that ... I used to be and I still have MUCH faith in Brooks Oops, think you messed that up already ... :P

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01-28-2005, 10:41 PM	#16
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? after the budweiser commercials i actually found the leon take quite hilarious, no vendetta. i do think he is an incredible mixed bag- world of talent never reaching potential, overall average, some moments of brilliance but just as many looking like a complete bust. i do think the odds are we will be stuck with him for another season and i will hope for the best. but it is only that, hope, no faith, no confidence. since the season ended what has lured me into dreaming or hoping he might be gone is the money. for 6mil and more yrs of commitment i think if we cannot do better, more than just hope, we wont do worse with less money to a hasslebeck or holcombe type. personally i preferred the days of solid defense with a ho-hum qb like hebert. after the debacle of the defense this past year coupled with the schizophrentic offense with so much potential and such erratic performance, consistency would be welcome. i\'m tired of the end season flourishes or flop roller coaster rides. i think the ravens are the antithesis: boring consistent offense with top D. no playoffs either. i just like the odds of having defensive strength. and we ain\'t even talking that here, just get to midrange/average D and minus AB there is still enough fire power with a journeyman to contend. 2 cents. [Edited on 29/1/2005 by LKelley67]

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01-29-2005, 02:41 AM	#18
Joe_Buddens Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? That\'s a strange comment. AB has plenty of courage to run. I saw it in the Cards\' game when he tried to run it in from around 15 yards out and got POPPED when he got to the goal line. He knew he was gonna take a big hit. Also in the 2nd Tampa game. We wouldn\'t have won that game if it weren\'t for his running. I think the reason he doesn\'t take off as much as he did in 2000 is because of the lame West Coast style offense that McCarthy tried to implement. That and he probably invests alot of faith in his receivers. But the receiving corps have argueably been the most inconsistent aspect of this team for the past 4 seasons, so that faith may be misplaced.
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01-29-2005, 07:43 AM	#19
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? i just like the odds of having defensive strength. and we ain\'t even talking that here, just get to midrange/average D and minus AB there is still enough fire power with a journeyman to contend. 2 cents. I\'ve been carping about that for months, too. I\'d like us to pick up a reliable journeyman and spend the money we\'d recoup by dealing AB on defense and the O-line. But the \"well, who are we gonna get if we deal Brooks\" crowd ain\'t hearing it. No matter who you mention - especially a journeyman-type (Kitna, Dilfer & Maddox are some usual suspects) - they\'re gonna bash, or simply ignore, it. Sadly, Brooks isn\'t really better than most any journeyman we could pick up. He\'s just more expensive. Why not deal him while he\'s still young (and great, according to him) and save a little cash to build elsewhere? Seems rational enough to me... :shrug:

01-29-2005, 10:44 AM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	What's that? An Aaron Brooks thread? Beyond rational mutey. But some are still waiting for the bulb to click on for this dim-wit\'s talent, and it ain\'t happening. We could get one of those qbs for half what AB makes and get the same results. I don\'t see how that is bad. But when AB says he is great, I guess he gets people to believe that. Ship the bum, spend the money elsewhere, draft a young qb to sit for a year.