Tobias-Reiper

..another one...

...well... don\'t know why I get myself into this... train wreck syndrome..

..ok, new guy...

..first off, \"Brooks haters\"?... name calling right out of the gate?

..so you are a Brooks lover... ok... read the statement below:

\"Brooks won our only playoff game in history\"...
True or false?

ScottyRo

If you were right, that\'d make him worse than Bulger. You\'re not though.

So, what starting QB in your opinion is not worse than AB?

saintswhodi

Josh McCown, Ken Dorsey, Harrington is about the same as AB, Testaverde, Ramsey is about even, Boller but he has ZERO receivers and Heap was hurt all year so I reserve true judgment on that one, Feeley or Fiedler though each play with more heart, Bledsoe is horrible if he doesn\'t have all day. That\'s about it.

And I am right about Bulger. 12-4 last year, suspect D, suspect line. Sounds familiar? Bulger, career passer rating of 89.7. AB 81.5. Yup, WORSE than Bulger.

Saint_LB

It seems to me that most people are forgetting about the biggest reason why we should unload this clown. Suppose you are Joe Horn, try to do it just for a moment. You pick up the paper and read that your QB has just said that he is a great QB on a not-so-good team, or whatever it was that he actually said. To me, that should\'ve been the last comment he ever made as a member of the Saints. How are you going to win back the support of his teammates after making such a horrific comment such as that. And that is not even the only time he stuck his foot in his mouth this year. What about the time he said that there was false comradery on this team. You couple the fact that he is making comments like that with the bonehead mistakes that he makes on a regular basis, (which is the only thing consistent about his play), and what you have is a guy that really needs to be shown the door. I can\'t see how anybody can ignore these things and think that next year, or the year after that, is going to be any better. If he were playing in a market like NYC, he would have been run out of town on a rail, no doubt about it. Sheez, man, sometimes I wonder what he has that makes people simply overlook all of the ugliness.

Whether you think you can or think you can't...you're right!

spkb25

saints lb that was my point exactly. the guy has a problem with leadership. as a team how do you follow a guy that talks about him being great and the team he plays for being just ok. mean while he says that the opposing qb plays for a great team and is just an ok qb. he has a problem and i would like to see him be here one more year but no longer. he has worn his welcome. i for one have had enough of this guy after those comments. but we still need him for one more year then cut our losses

Your team stinks

ScottyRo

As if Joe Horn hasn\'t stuck his foot in his mouth enough times to probably be the only player on the team to actually identify with AB.

So, here we are embarking on yet another line of \"get rid of AB\" threads. Sentiment for \'05 seems to be \"he\'s too arrogant...just look at these comments he made.\" In \'04 it was \'He fumbles too much.\" In \'03 it was he\'s got no leadership skills.\" In \'02 it was \"why does he have to smile after throwing an interception?\"

Sure, he\'s made some boneheaded decisions. I am more than aware of that. But the people that have wanted him gone - believe me, every year there are people just as adamant as Saint_LB and Whoodi, that want him gone already - always ignore that he has improved every year since he\'s been here.

The improvement certainly has not been enough but it is a bit of encouragement that he might get over the hump. I\'ll say again, though, until the org can bring in a viable alternative, I will be for keeping him as the starter.

saintswhodi

Improved every year? At what, getting dumber? You just outlined the problems AB has had EVERY year. So what you are saying Scotty is, eventually he will run out of ways to screw up and put it all together, so stick with him. No thanks.

ScottyRo

Again, don\'t jump on me too hard because I think I see your side more than you see mine.

He has improved. TD to INT ratio is pretty good. He\'s done better holding onto the ball.

You said yourself he has an 80 something QB rating. Certainly you\'d give another QB a few extra points for having two pathetic Tackles supposedly blocking for him, right? And my personal opinion is it took 8 games for the center of the line to gell.

He hasn\'t shown me anything that would make me think he can definitely lead this team to a superbowl, but neither have I seen anyone else potentially coming here that would give me that feeling either.

Hey, change can be good and since we\'re gonna change OC\'s, now might be the time to get a new QB. I just want somebody that imo that will at least help us win as many games. Fix the D and we\'re a 10 win team easy.

saintswhodi

You keep saying help us win as many games, I don\'t think AB helps us win that many, if any. He posts nice numbers, virtually in garbage time. I have said MANY times that out of the last 4 wins, which equals 16 quarters, he played like poo for 11, and that was when all the excuses everybody had for him went away. Outside the Tampa game, the line blocked better, the D played MUCH better, special teams stepped up, and he still looked like crap more than he looked even decent. I am tired of that. But it\'s all good.

spkb25

scottyro his best int to td ratio cam last year. that was also his worse year for fumbles. he hasnt put it all together yet