Deuce is lazy?
 

If you're a Deuce lover .... don't read this article.. ;)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3364408

Deuce is lazy?
 

Why don\'t you just start a thread saying Archie is a \"crackhead\", or Hebert is gay....you sure do like to stir the pot. To make things worse, you posted it twice.

Deuce is lazy?
 

Don\'t shoot the messanger. I didn\'t write the article.

Awwwwwww...it\'s gonna be alright. You\'ll live.

Deuce is lazy?
 

No, you just took what one person called work ethics, and translated it into lazy, and then double-posted a very degrading remark about one of the few people from our team who has had more than one trip to the pro-bowl.

Deuce is lazy?
 

No. The writer of the article is the one who suggested Deuce was lazy and I quote:

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So it upsets you that one of your favorite players is being criticized? Hmmmmmmmm...

I don\'t know what to tell ya...

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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I knew it! ;)

Deuce is lazy?
 

I\'ve read that article three times and still haven\'t seen the word \"lazy\" in it. Will you please cut out that part and leave the rest out of the article, because apparently I can\'t see the forrest because of the trees.

In AB\'s case, it is all about coaching, or defense, or some other excuse, but when it comes to Deuce it is all him...I guess the same excuses don\'t apply for him, right?

Deuce is lazy?
 

Sorry, wrong person...my bad.

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by Saint_LB]

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Saint_LB --

First, I never said Deuce was lazy. I asked if you guys thought he was lazy. That\'s why there\'s a big ol\' question on the title of this thread. You can read, right?

I\'m glad you read the article several times. You should be able to tell the writer is questioning Deuce\'s \"work ethic\".

What does \"work ethic\" mean to you. Or lack of.

Lack of work ethic = LAZY.... Get it?



[Edited on 1/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Deuce is fine, down season but was injured and the line had few holes for him to run, this happens to the best of R.B\'s, you\'ll see he\'ll bounce back, just hope we keep him for a while, if he plays most of his career in N.O he\'ll go down as the best R.B in Saints history, and to answer the question no he\'s not lazy, in fact everything I heard was that he worked hard day in and day out, first time I hear these comments of him being lazy

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Deuce plays with a lot of heart. But he looks out of shape to me. A little on the chubby side. Of all the top backs, Deuce is the least muscular.

He\'s also not had the speed the last couple of years that he once had.

Deuce came into camp overweight and was told to drop a few pounds.

Haslett didn\'t fire the runningback coach because he thought Deuce was playing up to his potential.

But, I agree. Deuce seems to be the kind of player that will bounce back.

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LTF and LB, there\'s a thread about researching a couple of seasons gone by. I thought you two would have plenty of good stories from those particular years. Maybe you\'d share a couple of them with us?

Here\'s the link to the thread in case it gets buried before you see it.

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=7808

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Did you ever see Barry Sanders? He was not ripped at all. Nearly as flabby as me...well maybe not nearly that bad but not in tiptop shape from a visual standpoint. Didn\'t seem to hurt him any.

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Maybe I\'m wrong Scotty. But Deuce looks like he would be better served if he bulked up with muscle rather than fat.

The extra weight also might be contributing to some of those injuries too.

Haslett has asked Deuce to try and lose 2 pounds for every year he\'s in the league. To help prevent injury.

Instead, Deuce has gained weight and he\'s getting to have injury problems.

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A bad work ethic and lazy are the same thing :doh:

Deuce is lazy?
 

Sorry, I can remember a lot of stories, it is just hard to put them to an exact season without going back and seeing exactly what happened those years. In regards to 1979...that may have been the year that we finished 8-8, and were on the verge of our very first winning season. If that is the year, then the biggest story I can remember from that season was that we were playing Oakland on a Monday night, and all we needed was a win that night to clinch a playoff spot. We were way up, something like 31-7, at halftime. For some reason Stabler was not playing that night in the first half, but was inserted into the game to start the second half. The Raiders came all the way back with Stabler at QB, and ended up winning something like 38-34. I think we had another game left after that one, but ended up losing that one, thus leaving us 8-8 for the season. Again, I am just trying to go from memory.

The guy from Ca. was talking about wanting to know specific stories regarding a couple of teams, one being the Redskins. I can remember one story, where we were playing the Skins, and needed to win that game to get in the playoffs. Late in the game, we were driving for what would have been a game winning score and getting us in, and had just completed a long pass for a first down that would\'ve put us deep in their territory with a first down. At the end of the play, Dexter Manley spit on Jim Dumbrowski, and, of course, the refs didn\'t see that part. Dumbo retaliated, and, of course, they saw that, and gave us a 15 yd. unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, thus, stopping the drive, stopping the win, and leaving us once again on the outside looking in. Again, I don\'t remember the years so well, just the stories.

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Are you sure about that? Could a person be continuously late for work, or, work on the wrong things tirelessly, and still have bad work ethics? :doh:

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Scotty, I was just like 12 years old in 79\' and I wasn\'t a fan untill like 85-86 when Mora came in a the coach, we fans now gripe at times with the Saints but just think how the die-hard fans felt with the Saints back then, Archie was the only player
that truly gave them hopes of winning, I would love to get a copy of the book once he completes it, let me know when it will be ready for sell, any idea when that could be RB Chuck Muncie (1979) became first Saint to surpass 1,000-yards finishing the season with 1,198 yards, I looked this one up because my brother talks of him as much as he does of Archie

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by LongTimeFan]

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Lateness is a dependabilty issue, working on wrong things is probably lack of experience. Work Ethic is knowing what you have to do to improve ur situation and not doing it(LAZY)

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Lateness is a dependabilty issue, working on wrong things is probably lack of experience. Work Ethic is knowing what you have to do to improve ur situation and not doing it(LAZY) [/quote



Pronunciation: \'e-thik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ethik, from Middle French ethique, from Latin ethice, from Greek EthikE, from Ethikos
1 plural but singular or plural in construction : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation
2 a : a set of moral principles or values b : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> c plural but singular or plural in construction : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> d : a guiding philosophy

pay particular attention to the part that says the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group

I don\'t see the word lazy in there anywhere. I am not saying that laziness isn\'t one example of bad work ethicss, but it is not the only definition. Showing up late for work would fall under the category of conduct, as working on the wrong things at work, tirelessly, would fall into that category, as well. Let\'s say that I came to work and immediately got on my computer and typed all day long in the Saints forum. Are you saying that that wouldn\'t be bad work ethics?

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I guess playing on a bad ankle, missing 2 games, and being so far behind early in games didn\'t have any thing to do with his drop off this year after all ! Not to mention all of the holding calls that brought back some of his runs. You just got to love the media and they wonder why Saban doesn\'t want them around. Deuce is the man, Sully is the one that needs a Shaq size foot in his rear!

Deuce is lazy?
 

Archie is a crackhead?! Say it ain\'t so!

I hope his family can get the man some help...

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Its been said for a couple years that Deuce isn\'t exactly a workout warrior. It hasn\'t been an issue because he\'s produced big numbers. Well now its starting to catch up to him.
Yes, I think he is lazy. I\'ve stated that for a year and a half now. Now he\'s getting banged up, yet again.

Ernie Conwell caught him from behind on a breakaway!
And caught him rather easily. I just can\'t believe Saints fans are excusing the obvious.

Deuce is fat and slow!

Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.

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C\'mon Danno. I think it is plainfully obvious that Conwell could not catch Deuce in a sprint. From watching that play it is equally obvious that Deuce was looking for something behind him as he ran. My guess is he was trying to let Conwell get in front of him for a block. You may be right after all in saying he was overweight and he may have a problem with conditioning, but to continually use this one play, when there is certainly something going on in it which should mitigate the accusation that Conwell ever could outrun Deuce, is overlooking the big picture in order to make a point.

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The big picture is our 225 lb 4.3 speed RB is slowly turning into a 240 lb 4.8 speed Ironhead Heyward. It was obvious he started slowing down last year. Its a shame that so few refuse to acknowledge it for whatever reason. I guess past success earns him a free pass. I say BS.
He is our best player, and one of our team leaders. He needs to start acting like it.

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Hey Not making excuses here or anything......
Do you guys think that his drop in production has anything to do with a terrible O line........ I bet you guys can\'t remember a single play that Deuce was able to get past the line of scrimage without being hit....... and yet he still had a 4.0 per cary av. come on 4 x 3 = 12 withoout a 5 yard illegal motion procedure on nearly every series and a hold or two damn he is still a first down Machine... Our O line was Disasterous this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :casstet:

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I Do agree though that Deuce had a hard Year this year, ankle and all.... He was not in the best shape, but lets hope this is corrected, not only do we have a RB coach but according to our own B&G we are interveiwing Rb coach from Denver for OC......... I think Deuce will respond when challenged, I just wish Brooks would, I mean Really I have heard for 3 years that \"this year is make or Break for Brooks\"
Just had to add that to stir the POT!!!!!!!!!! :nutkick:

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I got \"railed\" for suggesting he wasn\'t the second coming, and sure I recognize he\'s a horse, but he keeps getting propped up for two years ago. DM\'s initials aren\'t AB. If they were the \"free ride\" would be Ovah! ;)

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Well one difference between AB and DM, we know we chose the right runningback........ err.... Ricky Williams.......

But With Arron the Jury is still way out....... And Arron supporters better hope J.T. O\'sullivan is a flop, Cause Our Home town Boy just left NO to take Carolina to the superbowl...
I do not like being hard on Arron, Trust me I wish him the best luck ...... but I do not beleive in him like I do Deuce or Horn, cause in my opinion they have left it all on the feild, Arronn always seems to walk off the feild with at least a half a tank...... I wish he would let it all hang out and be a leader by example......

In Deuces Case he has done that, only in my opinion from watching the games... He does need to work harder!!! I feel Hypocritical saying that as I sit here typing out of shape , But I am not being paid huge bucks to play Pro football either!!!!!!!!! I think with this new RB coach, and possible new ex Rb coach from Denver as a OC, the coaching staff is sending a message.......

maybe they wont draft a Rb in the First Round LOL........ :phat:

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by WD52]

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This is a journalist that\'s trying to get some pub.

When your running back produces 4 yards a carry, don\'t blame him when the coach won\'t hand him the ball or the defense gets behind early in the game, and inturn you\'re forced to abandon the run. The only problem I\'ve ever had with Deuce is his missed blocking assignments. There\'s nothing wrong with his running.

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Duece sucked, Oline sucked and We suck. If not Duece its AB, not AB its Haz, not Haz its Benson not Benson it\'s the fans. The truth of the matter is we the Saints Nation ain\'t ready, not yet. But I will tell you this, When it happens, it will be FSWEET. We will prolly change and show the world how to celebrate.

By-the-way, Barry Sanders was Chazizzled.

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I am with you Black and Blue, as I stated in my first post in the thread, But I do think Deuce needs to drop a few pounds to take the stress off of his ankle, and gain that step back, Deuce is a Monster...... Please Haz, get us the Oline help!!!!!!! :puke: they need it!!!!!!!

[Edited on 1/2/2005 by WD52]

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Deuce may not have been in the best shape of his career (though i\'m gonna need to see some links where he was clocked at 4.8 ).

Aren\'t the \"Deuce Bashers\" ;) forgetting that the o-line sucked? It started in preseason and continued through most of the year. I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

Aren\'t you forgetting the 2 TE base offense change? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

Aren\'t you forgetting that he had an injury that kept him out of three games? Wasn\'t it a high ankle sprain which is notorious for being hard to overcome? I guess that shouldn\'t have hurt his production.

3 valid and important reasons why Deuce\'s production should have diminished and he still got over 1000 yards in 13 games with a 4.0 yard average!

Many people are speculating that the former RB coach was replaced because of conditioning, but might it have been that he and McCarthy came up with the 2 TE scheme together and insisted it would work? We don\'t know what really went on so I have to speculate too. Haslet cited production.

3 consecutive years of over 1000 yards. THAT isn\'t giving him credit for the past. THAT is a current achievement never before matched by a Saint (to my knowledge).

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This is really funny.

First -- The offensive line killed Deuce this year.

Second -- The ankle sprain killed him too...

But it sure is funny that that the Brooks\' bashers are the first one to point out the terrible offensive line when it comes to Deuce.

I wonder who the offensive line affected more. Deuce of Brooks?

Hmmmmmmmmm....

Deuce: All he has to do is run the ball.

Brooks: He touches the ball every play. He is always in known passing downs because we ranked 26th in rushing.

It\'s too funny. Brooks should have overcome the offensive line.

Deuce, it\'s the offensive lines fault.

I\'m not talking to everyone. You know who you are... ;)

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Can someone explain to me what it is exactly that Deuce has done wrong, besides the blocking? I\'m really trying to figure this one out.

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You may not be talking to me Gumbo, but I\'d like to respond as I have a different opinion.

Deuce has to run through that line and get past that line in order to be effective. Only if he can escape to the outside is he safe from the ineffectiveness of theo-line.

Brooks too is affected, but not as seriously - just more often because we pass more. Even though the line did not give him adequate time to throw, imo, he did get some time (on occasion no time).

It just seems like even with \"good\" o-lines our past couple of RBs have been hit behind the LOS more often than they should.

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Well his blocking is pretty bad in spite of some opinions.

His pass catching ability is better, but still not very good.

He\'s gained weight and is slower than he used to be.

There is speculation that he doesn\'t work hard.

He fumbles more and more.

He pouts on the sidelines after making a mistake.

He\'s about to want too much money.

Our formations are limited because, unlike a \"real\" top 5 back, he can\'t perform without a fullback.

He dances in the backfield when he should just hit the stupid hole (when there is one).

LOL...now, of course I\'m being a bit unfair since there are clearly solid reasons for a lot of Deuce\'s woes -- specifically our o-line -- yet some give props to the o-line for one game (the dallas game) or just in general when I think most of us would agree it generally sucked. I can even remember 08 blaming Brooks for Deuce\'s problems, which is to be expected.

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He probably gained some weight, but the reduction in speed is not as great as some would like to say it is. He was never super fast anyway.

more and more than who?

What\'s wrong with being upset about something as long as it doesn\'t affect you on the field. I\'d imagine most people here would rather see him pout after a mistake than smile. :D

We don\'t know what he\'s seeking, but I think we can agree that he is worth more than he is being paid currently.

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Scotty, I\'m hoping you recognize my post as necessarily sarcastic...in general, but in all honesty his fumbles are increasing and I don\'t think he should take himself out of the game because he made a mistake.

The general idea here is that we could pick him apart too, and we might even make some sense doing it, but I think we need to recognize how the rest of the team effects his performance, and I\'m sure you\'d agree.

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He was never super fast, but he is fast for his size. Remember, this guy has the vision to find the hole, and when he hits it, he usually carries it and anyone around him a few yards. Who was the Falcon defender that was completely run over 2 years ago, even after he had squared up on Deuce? I\'d imagine he still has the cleat marks on his chest.
His blocking is not all that great, I\'ll give yah that- it\'s the one thing that really irks me about Deuce. But that\'s the only thing I can fault him for. Not sure why this is even a discussion.