Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist

saintsfan1976 · 07-16-2015, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

How many generations of Native Americans were slaughtered under the Stars and Stripes?

How many years did slavery sit in the shadow of the Stars and Stripes?

For the gabillionth time, the South did not fight the civil war for SLAVERY. During the civil war, the North had SLAVES too. (I will not argue this point with anyone. Do some REAL research, other than movies)

The Klan has bastardized the Stars and Bars. They turned it into a symbol of hate.

I had family that faught for the South and the North. I pisses me off to see the KKK using a flag that my family faught under. It degrades what they did. It cheapen's what my family did when a picture of Hank Williams Jr or a 12 point buck or a large mouth bass is put on that flag.

Do I own a "Confederate" flag? No, I don't. But I should the right to own one and fly it if I want too.

I say instead of banning it; why not take ownership in it? Take it back from the KKK, intead of giving them power over it. Stop letting these so called leaders of our Nation divide us.

ps: If this offends you.... get over yourself.

Let the political pandering end here.

The Dude · 07-16-2015, 03:01 PM

Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property.
You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you.

frydaddy · 07-16-2015, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property.
You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you.

Actually, they're trying now to make it a "hate crime" to display a Confederate flag at all. So yes, they're trying to take it away from us.

jeanpierre · 07-16-2015, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property.
You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you.

Well, it hasn't stopped there, nor is it going to stop there...

Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay stop selling Confederate flag - CNNPolitics.com

NAACP: Blast Confederate generals off Stone Mountain | AL.com

Confederate Flags Stolen After Social Media Ignites #NoFlagginChallenge - NBC News

And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that...

The Dude · 07-16-2015, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, it hasn't stopped there, nor is it going to stop there...

Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay stop selling Confederate flag - CNNPolitics.com

NAACP: Blast Confederate generals off Stone Mountain | AL.com

Confederate Flags Stolen After Social Media Ignites #NoFlagginChallenge - NBC News

And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that...

It's their businesses. If they don't want to sell an item it's their prerogative. So you don't want people to tell you not to fly the flag but you want to tell a business what it can and can't sell?
You can buy flags at any number of places and can fly it freely on your property without any repercussion from the law or goverment.

halloween 65 · 07-17-2015, 08:36 AM

If people believe that Southern people were the only ones that had slaves, they can also do some looking into how many were owned by Northern people flying the stars and stripes, is it next? What about the Panther paws or whatever they call it, its symbole of the Black Panthers? Their is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to hatred. Their is no race that has not seen their share of slavery or hate crimes committed. Empires were built that way throughout history.Are all those flags going to be ban also?

hagan714 · 07-18-2015, 07:26 AM

I will repeat this once again

The Fleur-de-Lis is a "flower of the lily."

The Roman Catholic Church ascribed the lily as the special emblem of the Virgin Mary.

Due to its three "petals," the fleur-de-lis has also been used to represent the Holy Trinity

So it is a religious symbol thus falls under the separation of church and state debate if anything.

the saints are not in that topic.

hagan714 · 07-18-2015, 08:00 AM

72 S T A T .] PUBLIC LAW 85-426-MAY 23, 1958 133
Public Law 85-424
May 22, 1958

Public Law 85-425
AN ACT
To increase the monthly rates of pension payable to widows and former widows
of deceasetl veterans of the Spanish-American War, Civil War, Indian War,
and Mexican War, and provide i)enslons to widows of veterans who served
in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during
the Civil War.

Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Veterans'
l:Jenefits Act of 1957 (Public Law 85-56) is amended:

(3) Section 432 is amended by adding at the end thereof the
following new subsection:

"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term
'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces
of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the
term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such
forces."

(( CONFEDERATE FORCES VETERANS
"SEC. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served
in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America
during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and
subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE...E-72-Pg133.pdf

In short all confederate soldiers were recognized as US military.

then there is this

Public Law 85-811
August 28, 1958 ^^ ^ ^ '^
[S- 3882] To amend the Act of July 1, 1948, chapter 791 (24 U. S. C. 279a), providing for
the procurement and supply of Government headstones and markers.
G o v e r n m e n t
headstones.
Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representati'ves of the
United States of America in Congress assenibled, That the first senprocurement,
tence of the
first section of the Act of July 1, 1948, chapter 791 (24
62 Stat. 1215. ^ g Q 279a), is amended to read as follows:

"That the Secretary of the Army is authorized and directed to furnish,
when requested, appropriate Government headstones or markers
at the expense of the ITnited States for the unmarked graves of the
following:
"(1) Soldiers of the Union and Confederate Armies of the Civil
War.
Approved August 28, 1958.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE...E-72-Pg977.pdf

Both acts were to help in the healing process of this country.

So removal of confederate officers is really the removal of American soldiers.

great example of how a relocation of a flag can lead to breaking of federal laws.

So this confederacy war path needs to go to court. federal laws are being broken and the spirit of heeling a nation in which these laws were passed is unraveling. We are heading back 100 years in race relations in this country not forwards.

MaggieMayTB · 07-18-2015, 08:11 AM

Idea to end debate and make everyone equal.

Everyone should dress alike.
Screw hair styling - require shaving heads.
Homes should become housing with all furnishing the same.
Eliminate individuality and punish for personality.

Cities should be bulldozed.
We need to ensure everyone and everything is equal.
Then no one will suffer from feeling oppressed because we will all be oppressed.
No one offended.

Reminds me of a few things
Does it remind you of anything?

iceshack149 · 07-20-2015, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that...

Gift wrapped for the masses to show how racist a person was for shooting an innocent thief.
The news channel's are so hopeful that this happens.

07-16-2015, 02:34 PM	#41
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Originally Posted by SapperSaint How many generations of Native Americans were slaughtered under the Stars and Stripes? How many years did slavery sit in the shadow of the Stars and Stripes? For the gabillionth time, the South did not fight the civil war for SLAVERY. During the civil war, the North had SLAVES too. (I will not argue this point with anyone. Do some REAL research, other than movies) The Klan has bastardized the Stars and Bars. They turned it into a symbol of hate. I had family that faught for the South and the North. I pisses me off to see the KKK using a flag that my family faught under. It degrades what they did. It cheapen's what my family did when a picture of Hank Williams Jr or a 12 point buck or a large mouth bass is put on that flag. Do I own a "Confederate" flag? No, I don't. But I should the right to own one and fly it if I want too. I say instead of banning it; why not take ownership in it? Take it back from the KKK, intead of giving them power over it. Stop letting these so called leaders of our Nation divide us. ps: If this offends you.... get over yourself. Let the political pandering end here. SapperSaint likes this.

07-16-2015, 03:01 PM	#42
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property. You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you.
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07-16-2015, 03:55 PM	#43
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Originally Posted by The Dude Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property. You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you. Actually, they're trying now to make it a "hate crime" to display a Confederate flag at all. So yes, they're trying to take it away from us. SapperSaint likes this.

07-16-2015, 04:00 PM	#44
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Originally Posted by The Dude Nobody is arguing your right to own or fly a confederate flag. Are some of you that dense and that uninformed? People are arguing that these flags have no business displayed on government property. You are allowed to paint a rebel flag on your chest and run down the street if you want. Nobody is going to take that away from you, nor is anyone trying to take that away from you. Well, it hasn't stopped there, nor is it going to stop there... Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay stop selling Confederate flag - CNNPolitics.com NAACP: Blast Confederate generals off Stone Mountain \| AL.com Confederate Flags Stolen After Social Media Ignites #NoFlagginChallenge - NBC News And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that... iceshack149 likes this.

07-16-2015, 07:46 PM	#45
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, it hasn't stopped there, nor is it going to stop there... Walmart, Amazon, Sears, eBay stop selling Confederate flag - CNNPolitics.com NAACP: Blast Confederate generals off Stone Mountain \| AL.com Confederate Flags Stolen After Social Media Ignites #NoFlagginChallenge - NBC News And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that... It's their businesses. If they don't want to sell an item it's their prerogative. So you don't want people to tell you not to fly the flag but you want to tell a business what it can and can't sell? You can buy flags at any number of places and can fly it freely on your property without any repercussion from the law or goverment.
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07-17-2015, 08:36 AM	#46
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist If people believe that Southern people were the only ones that had slaves, they can also do some looking into how many were owned by Northern people flying the stars and stripes, is it next? What about the Panther paws or whatever they call it, its symbole of the Black Panthers? Their is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to hatred. Their is no race that has not seen their share of slavery or hate crimes committed. Empires were built that way throughout history.Are all those flags going to be ban also? frydaddy likes this.

07-18-2015, 07:26 AM	#47
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist I will repeat this once again The Fleur-de-Lis is a "flower of the lily." The Roman Catholic Church ascribed the lily as the special emblem of the Virgin Mary. Due to its three "petals," the fleur-de-lis has also been used to represent the Holy Trinity So it is a religious symbol thus falls under the separation of church and state debate if anything. the saints are not in that topic.
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07-18-2015, 08:00 AM	#48
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist 72 S T A T .] PUBLIC LAW 85-426-MAY 23, 1958 133 Public Law 85-424 May 22, 1958 Public Law 85-425 AN ACT To increase the monthly rates of pension payable to widows and former widows of deceasetl veterans of the Spanish-American War, Civil War, Indian War, and Mexican War, and provide i)enslons to widows of veterans who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War. Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Veterans' l:Jenefits Act of 1957 (Public Law 85-56) is amended: (3) Section 432 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection: "(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces." (( CONFEDERATE FORCES VETERANS "SEC. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE...E-72-Pg133.pdf In short all confederate soldiers were recognized as US military. then there is this Public Law 85-811 August 28, 1958 ^^ ^ ^ '^ [S- 3882] To amend the Act of July 1, 1948, chapter 791 (24 U. S. C. 279a), providing for the procurement and supply of Government headstones and markers. G o v e r n m e n t headstones. Be it enacted hy the Senate and House of Representati'ves of the United States of America in Congress assenibled, That the first senprocurement, tence of the first section of the Act of July 1, 1948, chapter 791 (24 62 Stat. 1215. ^ g Q 279a), is amended to read as follows: "That the Secretary of the Army is authorized and directed to furnish, when requested, appropriate Government headstones or markers at the expense of the ITnited States for the unmarked graves of the following: "(1) Soldiers of the Union and Confederate Armies of the Civil War. Approved August 28, 1958. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE...E-72-Pg977.pdf Both acts were to help in the healing process of this country. So removal of confederate officers is really the removal of American soldiers. great example of how a relocation of a flag can lead to breaking of federal laws. So this confederacy war path needs to go to court. federal laws are being broken and the spirit of heeling a nation in which these laws were passed is unraveling. We are heading back 100 years in race relations in this country not forwards.
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07-18-2015, 08:11 AM	#49
MaggieMayTB Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Franklin, Wisconsin (knee deep in melted cheese sauce) Posts: 615 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Idea to end debate and make everyone equal. Everyone should dress alike. Screw hair styling - require shaving heads. Homes should become housing with all furnishing the same. Eliminate individuality and punish for personality. Cities should be bulldozed. We need to ensure everyone and everything is equal. Then no one will suffer from feeling oppressed because we will all be oppressed. No one offended. Reminds me of a few things Does it remind you of anything? iceshack149, hagan714 and frydaddy like this.

07-20-2015, 08:12 PM	#50
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,238 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Now The Symbol Of New Orleans Is Considered Racist Originally Posted by jeanpierre And on that last link, someone, at some point, will get their @$$ shot over doing that... Gift wrapped for the masses to show how racist a person was for shooting an innocent thief. The news channel's are so hopeful that this happens. hagan714 likes this.

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